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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 9:57 am 
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I have no problem with MM bringing in a guy who he trusts completely.

Wiley knows MM's philosophy, ways and methods and will reinforce them. The message from the coaching staff MUST be consistent and constantly reinforced.

agree but u also need a guy that can bring in fresh ideas...
not just some head nodding

This is not the model in the coaches box MM had at Collingwood.

His coaches were always the next thing to coach AFL....



Give MM some credit. I think he has proven he knows how to assemble the right support staff.

yeah but existing contracts and budgets come into play

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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 10:14 am 
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Synbad wrote:
...but u also need a guy that can bring in fresh ideas...
not just some head nodding


Not a head nodder. But would be nice coaching without the distraction that your right hand man wasn't going to go to an opposition team next year. That continuity is very important. Having said that - wouldn't mind getting someone like Nathan Bassett across next year. Or, if that fails, Andy Collins is looking for a gig back in Victoria so he could be one to be sounded out.

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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 2:21 pm 
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Every time i hear him speak he sounds professional and intelligent. Has a great record in his previous coaching tenures too. That's enough for me to trust him as the right man for the job.

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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 3:56 pm 
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DocSherrin wrote:
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...but u also need a guy that can bring in fresh ideas...
not just some head nodding


Not a head nodder. But would be nice coaching without the distraction that your right hand man wasn't going to go to an opposition team next year. That continuity is very important. Having said that - wouldn't mind getting someone like Nathan Bassett across next year. Or, if that fails, Andy Collins is looking for a gig back in Victoria so he could be one to be sounded out.

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Or trying to pinch your job. That list of Wileys experience was a good post Doc - pretty well put to rest any concerns I ... didn't really have.

Wouldn't surprise me if Neeld was on staff next year either.


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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 4:46 pm 
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always has to be something to whinge about doesn't there?

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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 11:30 am 
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DocSherrin wrote:
Having said that - wouldn't mind getting someone like Nathan Bassett across next year. Or, if that fails, Andy Collins is looking for a gig back in Victoria so he could be one to be sounded.


Why not get both? At least when channel 7 cuts to the coaches box things could be interesting for a change.


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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 4:42 pm 
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Most of the other AFL clubs have gone for retired coaches such as Williams, Eade, Laidley etc

We put an ex runner into the top job to direct development and coaching

Just shows that MM runs the show here, and wants a mate as a conduit

a lost chance to pick up a Williams or perhaps an experienced second tier coach

bit disappointing


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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 4:52 pm 
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Maniati wrote:
Most of the other AFL clubs have gone for retired coaches such as Williams, Eade, Laidley etc

We put an ex runner into the top job to direct development and coaching

Just shows that MM runs the show here, and wants a mate as a conduit

a lost chance to pick up a Williams or perhaps an experienced second tier coach

bit disappointing


The guy was appointed back in late 2012. Bit late to be questioning his appointment now...


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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 4:57 pm 
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spuddie wrote:
Maniati wrote:
Most of the other AFL clubs have gone for retired coaches such as Williams, Eade, Laidley etc

We put an ex runner into the top job to direct development and coaching

Just shows that MM runs the show here, and wants a mate as a conduit

a lost chance to pick up a Williams or perhaps an experienced second tier coach

bit disappointing


The guy was appointed back in late 2012. Bit late to be questioning his appointment now...

Who Greg Williams


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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 6:37 pm 
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spuddie wrote:
Maniati wrote:
Most of the other AFL clubs have gone for retired coaches such as Williams, Eade, Laidley etc

We put an ex runner into the top job to direct development and coaching

Just shows that MM runs the show here, and wants a mate as a conduit

a lost chance to pick up a Williams or perhaps an experienced second tier coach

bit disappointing


The guy was appointed back in late 2012. Bit late to be questioning his appointment now...


that's true

But I have only just joined this forum, and I don't have access to a Time Machine


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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 6:40 pm 
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Neither Carlton nor MM went through a process of head hunting the best person for such a critical role as Director of Development and Coaching

If they did, there is no way known Willey would even be interviewed let alone appointed

I would have preferred Willey had a different role - in amongst the assistant coaches perhaps


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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 7:09 pm 
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Maniati wrote:
spuddie wrote:
Maniati wrote:
Most of the other AFL clubs have gone for retired coaches such as Williams, Eade, Laidley etc

We put an ex runner into the top job to direct development and coaching

Just shows that MM runs the show here, and wants a mate as a conduit

a lost chance to pick up a Williams or perhaps an experienced second tier coach

bit disappointing


The guy was appointed back in late 2012. Bit late to be questioning his appointment now...


that's true

But I have only just joined this forum, and I don't have access to a Time Machine


Fair enough


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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 8:12 pm 
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Maniati wrote:
Neither Carlton nor MM went through a process of head hunting the best person for such a critical role as Director of Development and Coaching

If they did, there is no way known Willey would even be interviewed let alone appointed

I would have preferred Willey had a different role - in amongst the assistant coaches perhaps

Yes we did mick wanted him enough said


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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 9:13 pm 
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Bigredisback wrote:
Maniati wrote:
Neither Carlton nor MM went through a process of head hunting the best person for such a critical role as Director of Development and Coaching

If they did, there is no way known Willey would even be interviewed let alone appointed

I would have preferred Willey had a different role - in amongst the assistant coaches perhaps

Yes we did mick wanted him enough said


that's the point - Mick can have him

But as Director of Development and Coaching??/

don't think so


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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 9:40 pm 
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Player resting and bringn in VFL guys and rookies has Wiley/Malthouse West Coast years all over it....we're only 6 weeks in remember!

It worked then and will work now I'm guessing....don't think everything that was done a few years ago is crap and shouldn't be done today....in terms of development everything old is new again...unless we want to go down the chemical development path like the Dons.

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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 9:54 pm 
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Wiley's no dud. Very successful over in WA with juniors as well.


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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 9:54 pm 
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billc3 wrote:
Player resting and bringn in VFL guys and rookies has Wiley/Malthouse West Coast years all over it....we're only 6 weeks in remember!

It worked then and will work now I'm guessing....don't think everything that was done a few years ago is crap and shouldn't be done today....in terms of development everything old is new again...unless we want to go down the chemical development path like the Dons.


the game has moved on since MM was at WEst Coast

Even Mick has changed in many areas

You don't give a Directorship position at such a critical time to a person who is clearly under qualified


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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 10:00 pm 
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mots wrote:
Wiley's no dud. Very successful over in WA with juniors as well.


but as director of Development and Coaching?

Nah - the appointment is essentially to provide MM with complete control over the assistant coaches

Should have chased Mark Williams or a Laidley type


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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 10:05 pm 
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mikkey wrote:
Synbad wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
I have no problem with MM bringing in a guy who he trusts completely.

Wiley knows MM's philosophy, ways and methods and will reinforce them. The message from the coaching staff MUST be consistent and constantly reinforced.

agree but u also need a guy that can bring in fresh ideas...
not just some head nodding

This is not the model in the coaches box MM had at Collingwood.

His coaches were always the next thing to coach AFL....



Give MM some credit. I think he has proven he knows how to assemble the right support staff.


Well MM didn't actually do much in that area - kept Brown, Capuanno, Barker etc., Others left.

I can see changes next year

Willey is there as a conduit and someone MM trusts

The directorship position is just not suited to WIlley.


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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 10:16 pm 
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Maniati wrote:
mikkey wrote:
Synbad wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
I have no problem with MM bringing in a guy who he trusts completely.

Wiley knows MM's philosophy, ways and methods and will reinforce them. The message from the coaching staff MUST be consistent and constantly reinforced.

agree but u also need a guy that can bring in fresh ideas...
not just some head nodding

This is not the model in the coaches box MM had at Collingwood.

His coaches were always the next thing to coach AFL....



Give MM some credit. I think he has proven he knows how to assemble the right support staff.


Well MM didn't actually do much in that area - kept Brown, Capuanno, Barker etc., Others left.

I can see changes next year

Willey is there as a conduit and someone MM trusts

The directorship position is just not suited to WIlley.


Why are you unable to type his name as Wiley?

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