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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

That's not exactly right.

In the last three years we have recruited McCarthy, Mitchell, Rowe, Graham, Temay and Menzel that all have leadership qualities. You could possibly throw Buckley in that mix also.

You can say that only Watson and Bootsma may not reach any leadership status.

Ah, culture .... If only you could bottle it

inject it

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They may be a pack of drug-injecting, cheating pricks, but you can't deny that they know how to play for one another.

It's the same hypothetical from the past 3-4 years in a row, if a list has highly-rated as ours showed the same commitment* and willingness that those arseholes do when the chips are down (ie. BRAVE) there's no telling what we could achieve. I can only imagine how this team would've responded with the week that they've had, and 6 goals down at half-time against a red-hot Freo in greasy conditions in Perth.

This pains me to write like you wouldn't believe, and brings the bile well and truly up to my throat, but it's the sad reality of what we face.

*no doubt aided by external stimuli

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#GUILTY

Early in their 'rebuilding' they drafted lots of KP players.

Our drafting/development of KP players on the other hand...

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Good assessment. Spot on.

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Wouldnt you love to see a Big Brother house featuring Visy park and the Carlton footy club.
Just as the players are under scrutiny and we can watch all the playing horrors in our digital massive TVs with the thirty cameras and mics spotted all over the place... id love to see our board and staff subjected to that kind of scrutiny.
Would be the house of horrors.
People really dont get how bad we are and what an amateurish club we are....

Only one way to change culture.
Hacksaw .. axe and a big dose of chemo and radiotherapy ... needs a complete eradication of all cancerous cells.


BY the way what ever happened to the internal (but not independant) review the club promised itself...

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Is this the same Essendon* that usually falls in a heap and give up mid season

If bombers are your benchmark lol

The way the bombers got behind Hird when finals were on the line last year at the g vs us was amazing

98 point loss

Their culture is vial...

WE did nothing in the Trade period in the first year of free agents.

That's not the Carlton we grew up with.

Reason: We couldn't? None of us really know..we have our theories but we don't know.
The spin is that MM is happy with the list.

Post 2013 we need our next CHF on our list: Josh Kennedy or the like.

Post 2013 we need another elite mid on our list.

Problem is who is going to spruik our club? Kerna? Swan? Pratt family? Mathiesons? MM?

It all starts at the top. We need a revolution from the President down...make us attractive.

Please preserve Judd to be on our list for the next 2-3 years.

As for the Bumbers comparison...not interested...but understand the desire to create the thread ...and expose another gap within our footy club's quest for flag 17.

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You just don't buy anyone for the sake it.

I agree that's one area they got right (in comparison with us). It's the same when you compare Hawthorn and Richmond all those years ago now (Deledio and Tambling ahead of Roughead and Franklin).

we drafted alot of KP players too
Austin
hartlett
Rowe
Watto
McArthy
Mitchell

just ours look pretty hack

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Goddard would be no good linking that ball out of defence and forwards ????

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They're most certainly not my benchmark, but they sure as shit get more out of themselves* than our group of "stars".

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#GUILTY

In how many years and how many of those weren't under duress? You don't draft players because you need them, you recruit them because you want them. We give up second round draft picks then 'over-think' what we are left with. There has been no time for actually constructing a list in any conceivable form, it's mostly left to 'bob-each-way' and panic selections.

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..and who we bypass..

talia
darling
jaksch

..the darling/watson one isn't as bad initially, as it now appears in hindsight..

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I can't believe their on field culture is being raised, don't people remember how pathetic they were in the second half of last season and in the final against us in 2011????

No effort, no heart, weak.

Once the 'us against them' mentality wears off (along with some other things), they'll fall from 'grace' again.

We just lack confidence and perhaps may have some issues in the background - can be worked out

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