You wouldn't see the collar flat on the Collingwood polo so that you wouldn't see the sponsors logos.

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Imagine the habits Ratten had to coach out of them after Pagan. Had to get them to stop playing a game style that was a flop. Had stop them kicking long down the line to a contest where Carlton were clearly outnumbered by 3.....................hey hang on !!!..........

five years and 6 games is a massive amount of time.. for a guy that got everything pagan didnt
draft picks
best player in the comp
Pratts cash

no excuses.....

ratts good ordinary sth eastern suburban league coach atteoting to coach in the big league.

pagan won flags... and had a great record before he came in both the league and development

.... cant argue with the mans pedigree


Five years and six games in touch by Ratten ... and we still couldnt find any kind of leadership???Alot of players on our list know nothing but Ratten as coach.
Most current players never ever met Pagan

Thats what 5 years and 6 games means to this footy club now.....

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Club funny in your eyes .....
and 2 x premiership 2x runner up and 8 x perlim final coach was no good in pagan
3 x flag winning coach malthouse is no good

but assistant coach to melbourne ratts... premiership coach for norwood eastern suburban league.... and 1 times eliminational final winner ratts is very good and hard done by.

Thats very interesting logic but very unconvincing.

Just remember.. with the bulk of our players only knowing Ratten as coach we cant find leadeership still....

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Compared to what we've gotten from Ratts in the media in recent years, I thought it was really nice to have a coach who is sure of himself and sounds like he actually knows what he's talking about. Presents the club in a much better light. Obviously this was a big part of the really positive summer at the club and the regaining of a sense of belief. Just hope it doesn't get eroded away over this difficult month.

But gee I wish they'd actually talk about the game or the club or individual players. There's about 60,000 forums on tv and radio and in the newspapers to rehash the same old political debates. I don't really want to hear about the rules committee. Or Eddie McGuire. In fact I'm not all that interested in when was Mick's favourite year of coaching. Nor am I particularly interested in hearing about whether Judd should still be captain.

I was mildly interested in the discussion about an interchange stuff up that led directly to a Richmond goal. I was much more interested in the discussion about our problems at CHF and the future use of Matthew Kreuzer. Likewise with the discussion about what kind of gamestyle is going to fit this particular group of players. But why not talk about the switching roles of Yarran and Walker (from that seen in preseason)? Why not give us some insight into how Chris Yarran has reacted to those clutch misses? Why not talk about Hampson's development and whether he's going to make it as a key forward? Why not discuss what Carlton needs to do in order to beat Collingwood this week? Why not talk about Bryce Gibb's game in midfield? Etc.

So much more we could have learnt, if they actually asked the right sort of questions.

Reckon MM has realised that the list that Ratten built isn't as goodad he first thought. He knows we'll struggle to make Finals this year.

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the media isnt that smart chook

they dont know how to ask relevant questions like that which are actually about the game

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

He's a year out of the game Dom and spent that year watching football. I'd be staggered if he didn't have a fantastic working knowledge of 70 % of our list and an even greater percentage of our best 22.

Doesn't mean he thinks they're any good though.

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True dat. It seemed like the panelists didn't have their questions ready.

Did it seem to anyone else like the interview go cut short?

Doesn't the OTC guest usually hang around for two segments (one ad break in the middle)?

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I have stated many times that i was all for Ratten being moved on after last season.

Just not for the reasons you think he should apart from not being able to coach the lack of steel out of the team. Ratts had his turn and couldnt get it done. Next !

Malthouse deserves the same treatment Ratts got from Carlton "supporters". He will get that from me because i dont like the guy and feel sick that he is at carlton.

Well if that's the case we've hired the wrong man, he'd better win this weekend or he's failed upon what we managed to do over 4 games last year with an injury savaged list

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thats childish

u never met malthouse......how can u feel sick hes Carlton?

id feel sick if he was coach for 5 years and all we did was tread water.... i wouldnt feel sick if he ends up being a great carlton coach

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Hate him in a football sense not real life. I dont want to see him harmed in anyway.

Don't want him at Carlton though. He should get the same treatment Ratten got from "Supporters".

Then, at this stage in Mick's Carlton career, he should be getting mostly universal support from all our fans.

While there were a few that were unhappy with the lack of process involved in Ratten's appointment as coach I think it's pretty fair to say in his first year, at least, he had the support of most fans.

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It says they don't want to get beat by 10 goals every week, cause thats what would happen playing Micks predictable game plan.
Good on them...

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I am a "supporter". Over the five and a half years of Ratten's tenure this was how I "supported" him.

2nd part of 2007: Great. One of my favourite Carlton players is coach, and don't take it too seriously because we're #nottanking anyway.

2008-2011: Well we're improving albeit slowly, but at least it's an improvement, and we almost stole a prelim final appearance. I know it's been the better part of 5 years and we have 3 no1s, a no2, a no6, a no9 and the best player in the country who just came off a better year than when he won the Brownlow, but give it ONE MORE YEAR. He's a Carlton champ and we DID slightly improve.

1st part of 2012: it's not as bad as it looks. You watch, we'll take care if this Port Adelaide rabble and the season will take off from there!

2nd June 2012, around 9:00 pm: ok, there's standing by your man and there's pure pig-headed, head-in-the-sand denial. This is not working, and as much as I want it to, it's clear he's lost the players. It's time for a change, and really from the top down.

Now, Club29 and other flat earthers. I'm willing to give MM approximately the same consideration (perhaps slightly less because he's not a past carlton champ) but also slightly more because he's demonstrated FOUR times that he can take a rabble and turn it into a silk purse (#mixedmetaphor).

You should hop aboard too. It will be fun!!

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Agree with John M players have the mental toughness of a bowl of jelly - evident again thursday night - one of Micks biggest assignments is to toughen them up mentally
Saw the Cats yesterday and half the reason they won was that they are so mentally tough - should have been much worse than 20 points behind at half time but blokes like chapman taylor bartel and Selwood just refuse to pack it in and eventually grinded away to win

Others got on a lot earlier than that. " i cant see any any defined gameplan " . That started early. " Any improvement is organic " very early.
He may have got a bit of slack in the first 12 months but that was because the list was young and only just recruited. Malthouse has the list according to those who would not hear a bad word about the players last year and the two years before that.

If any coach had of stepped into the role last summer, trained up the team to play a certain way and then shat themselves at half time of the first game and reverted to a style that he had spent the summer trying to coach out of them to win a game and get plaudits they would be copping it big time here. Malthouse has gotten away with it and even got praised by some who over the years have not been kind to anyone let alone Ratten.

Moshe i don't remember you being someone for or against Ratten.

I went the players last year and the years before that about them choosing when to put in and their lack of mental strength. I said that Ratten had had enough time to drill that out of them so give someone else a turn. I said he put his faith in the wrong group. "supporters" on here would not hear a bad word about the playing group. Mismanged. Still looks the case now. Flat earthers.

The coach selling his soul at half time in the first game wont do much for our mental strength.

I suspect that our current list of players will have Mick on another "couch" at some stage in the near future, and it's probably where this list collectively should be.

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