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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:40 am 
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"When Waite comes back..."
"When Waite comes back..."
"When Waite comes back..."
"When Waite comes back..."

I'm @#$%&! over it. Our dysfunctional forward lines of recent years have been due to planning around Waite and continually being left with our pants down when we inevitably lose him for months on end, and our decision to give him a 3-year contract was one of the worst of recent times. We need to take him out of our plans and focus on the players we can rely on being out there, otherwise this will keep happening.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:42 pm 
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:46 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
I'm !@#$%& over it. Our dysfunctional forward lines of recent years have been due to planning around Waite and continually being left with our pants down when we inevitably lose him for months on end, and our decision to give him a 3-year contract was one of the worst of recent times. We need to take him out of our plans and focus on the players we can rely on being out there, otherwise this will keep happening.

Yet we weren't supposed to recruit Rowe because Jordan Murdoch was still on the board...

The armchair experts can't have it both ways.

Unless they're Nick Riewoldt.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:51 pm 
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We're not all Agro ;)

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:14 pm 
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Instead on venting on just Waite let’s see how the other Kp’s who could have supported him have gone or going during the last few years.
Casboult – injured and young
Rowe- new and injured
Hampson-new role and injured
Kreuzer- injured
Jamison-injured on and off and our full back.
Henderson-injured and needed elsewhere after injury (also badly managed).
Watson- young and finding his feet
McCarthy –young and injured
Even Bower- injured and mismanaged
Have I forgotten anyone?
We haven't had anyone else and those we have had have been injured. :banghead:

Recruiting and development, lack of foresight and mismanagement has been the problem for our forward structures over the last few years not the injuries to Waite or planning around him.

You can blame a player for his selfishness, his lack of commitment or compassion but blame the side and the lack of depth and structure on the short sightedness of who are supposed to control that side of proceedings.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:08 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
I'm !@#$%& over it. Our dysfunctional forward lines of recent years have been due to planning around Waite and continually being left with our pants down when we inevitably lose him for months on end, and our decision to give him a 3-year contract was one of the worst of recent times. We need to take him out of our plans and focus on the players we can rely on being out there, otherwise this will keep happening.


Agree with that Don.

Trouble is he's been far and away our best and only class marking forward since Fev left, and our side is a completely different side when he plays and is "semi fit". We actually look quite very good structurally with Waite pencilled in, we look ordinary on paper without him. Not surprising that everyone has been hoping and planning for his return.

The 3 year contract extension was a disgrace and reveals a total lack of due diligence. However the extent of his spinal injury (not his knee - my source is far better than "Waites friend is my friend") became apparent to the club and Jarrad himself after he signed the extension.

His chronic degenerative back injury is not getting better, but he showed late last year that with rest and epidural pain relief he can come back for short periods and make a very useful contribution. He looked his old self for a few games in 2012. This is going to become less and less likely so if we can get 10 games out of him this year at the right time it will still be worthwhile.

As others have said however this stifles planning and moving forward with the new generation. If Casboult or Hampson could take a great leap forward early this season and show we can do without him Jarrads return or not will become a non issue.

Whether he currently has a calf injury or his reconstructed knee is giving him problems is not relevant to the above.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:22 pm 
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redback wrote:
Instead on venting on just Waite let’s see how the other Kp’s who could have supported him have gone or going during the last few years.
Casboult – injured and young
Rowe- new and injured
Hampson-new role and injured
Kreuzer- injured
Jamison-injured on and off and our full back.
Henderson-injured and needed elsewhere after injury (also badly managed).
Watson- young and finding his feet
McCarthy –young and injured
Even Bower- injured and mismanaged
Have I forgotten anyone?
We haven't had anyone else and those we have had have been injured. :banghead:

Recruiting and development, lack of foresight and mismanagement has been the problem for our forward structures over the last few years not the injuries to Waite or planning around him.

You can blame a player for his selfishness, his lack of commitment or compassion but blame the side and the lack of depth and structure on the short sightedness of who are supposed to control that side of proceedings.

You forgot Mitchell-young and injury prone.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:22 pm 
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Kouta wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
I'm !@#$%& over it. Our dysfunctional forward lines of recent years have been due to planning around Waite and continually being left with our pants down when we inevitably lose him for months on end, and our decision to give him a 3-year contract was one of the worst of recent times. We need to take him out of our plans and focus on the players we can rely on being out there, otherwise this will keep happening.

Yet we weren't supposed to recruit Rowe because Jordan Murdoch was still on the board...

The armchair experts can't have it both ways.

Unless they're Nick Riewoldt.

Yeah except Murdoch will play 150/ 200 games and Rowe will be delisted at the end of the year....

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:28 pm 
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Kouta wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
I'm !@#$%& over it. Our dysfunctional forward lines of recent years have been due to planning around Waite and continually being left with our pants down when we inevitably lose him for months on end, and our decision to give him a 3-year contract was one of the worst of recent times. We need to take him out of our plans and focus on the players we can rely on being out there, otherwise this will keep happening.

Yet we weren't supposed to recruit Rowe because Jordan Murdoch was still on the board...

The armchair experts can't have it both ways.

Unless they're Nick Riewoldt.



Look all I said was that piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:28 pm 
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and here they come........


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:37 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Kouta wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
I'm !@#$%& over it. Our dysfunctional forward lines of recent years have been due to planning around Waite and continually being left with our pants down when we inevitably lose him for months on end, and our decision to give him a 3-year contract was one of the worst of recent times. We need to take him out of our plans and focus on the players we can rely on being out there, otherwise this will keep happening.

Yet we weren't supposed to recruit Rowe because Jordan Murdoch was still on the board...

The armchair experts can't have it both ways.

Unless they're Nick Riewoldt.

Yeah except Murdoch will play 150/ 200 games and Rowe will be delisted at the end of the year....


Apart from using a 2nd round pick when a rookie selection was still overs, we could have had both with any sort of rudimentary list management....


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:10 pm 
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ColourMan wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Kouta wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
I'm !@#$%& over it. Our dysfunctional forward lines of recent years have been due to planning around Waite and continually being left with our pants down when we inevitably lose him for months on end, and our decision to give him a 3-year contract was one of the worst of recent times. We need to take him out of our plans and focus on the players we can rely on being out there, otherwise this will keep happening.

Yet we weren't supposed to recruit Rowe because Jordan Murdoch was still on the board...

The armchair experts can't have it both ways.

Unless they're Nick Riewoldt.

Yeah except Murdoch will play 150/ 200 games and Rowe will be delisted at the end of the year....


Apart from using a 2nd round pick when a rookie selection was still overs, we could have had both with any sort of rudimentary list management....


Rowe the rookie would have been ok(Sydney did it and delisted him ).... not many make it anyway....

but 2nd rounder???

wow wee!!!!

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 9:58 pm 
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AGRO wrote:
Kouta wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
I'm !@#$%& over it. Our dysfunctional forward lines of recent years have been due to planning around Waite and continually being left with our pants down when we inevitably lose him for months on end, and our decision to give him a 3-year contract was one of the worst of recent times. We need to take him out of our plans and focus on the players we can rely on being out there, otherwise this will keep happening.

Yet we weren't supposed to recruit Rowe because Jordan Murdoch was still on the board...

The armchair experts can't have it both ways.

Unless they're Nick Riewoldt.



Look all I said was that piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah.


ive read a lot of funny shit on this forum, but that was pure gold.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:19 pm 
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:39 pm 
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ColourMan wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Kouta wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
I'm !@#$%& over it. Our dysfunctional forward lines of recent years have been due to planning around Waite and continually being left with our pants down when we inevitably lose him for months on end, and our decision to give him a 3-year contract was one of the worst of recent times. We need to take him out of our plans and focus on the players we can rely on being out there, otherwise this will keep happening.

Yet we weren't supposed to recruit Rowe because Jordan Murdoch was still on the board...

The armchair experts can't have it both ways.

Unless they're Nick Riewoldt.

Yeah except Murdoch will play 150/ 200 games and Rowe will be delisted at the end of the year....


Apart from using a 2nd round pick when a rookie selection was still overs, we could have had both with any sort of rudimentary list management....


This!!!

Fair dinkum, no-one was going to touch this bloke in the main draft. We paid massive overs!

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:07 pm 
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A few pretty harsh posts.
Waite's been a fine servant of this club.
I'm sure it's not his choice to have a failing body.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:18 pm 
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redback wrote:
Instead on venting on just Waite let’s see how the other Kp’s who could have supported him have gone or going during the last few years.
Casboult – injured and young
Rowe- new and injured
Hampson-new role and injured
Kreuzer- injured
Jamison-injured on and off and our full back.
Henderson-injured and needed elsewhere after injury (also badly managed).
Watson- young and finding his feet
McCarthy –young and injured
Even Bower- injured and mismanaged
Have I forgotten anyone?
We haven't had anyone else and those we have had have been injured. :banghead:

Recruiting and development, lack of foresight and mismanagement has been the problem for our forward structures over the last few years not the injuries to Waite or planning around him.

You can blame a player for his selfishness, his lack of commitment or compassion but blame the side and the lack of depth and structure on the short sightedness of who are supposed to control that side of proceedings.


Mitchell has already been mentioned. You could also add hartlett & austin to the list of players that were supposed to come in but were plagued by injuries. Even Josh Kennedy had injury issues when with the blues.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:19 pm 
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True Bigkev, it's not his choice.

It's silly to be disappointed when you aren't surprised at the action. And in this case, is anyone surprised he's not available?

Any game we get from Jarrad is a bonus at this point. I would be shocked and disappointed if the club put any kind of meaningful emphasis on him as a part of future planning, list management etc. He's on the list until the end of next year, and I'd be surrprised if he got another contract.

The shame of it all is that they've had a go at drafting replacements and most of those appear to share his frailty. Can't fault them for not trying.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:25 pm 
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Darling would have been a good choice.

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