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 Post subject: Re: AGM 17 December
PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 12:40 pm 
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I would like to move a motion that if a board appoints a key member of staff and make an error in judgement then they are all equally personally liable for any financial payout to that terminated employee.



Other than small business, where does that happen?


I want it to happen at my football club.


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 Post subject: Re: AGM 17 December
PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:17 pm 
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In some quarters we are still referred to as a power club and one of the Big 4. Deep down though are we really?

On a number of measures, both on and off field, we appear to be lagging behind the true power clubs.

Whether that be membership levels, revenue generated, overall profitability and financial position, membership engagement, football department spend to name a few. Not to mention the all important performance off the entire football department.

There is no doubt that we have of the bigger brands in the AFL. I feel this is largely on the back of past glory though and we have much room for improvement to reestablish ourselves as a true power club, on and off field.

We have obviously taken action to address our football department issues. Here's hoping this translates to a highly successful seasons in the short term. This is no doubt a critical plank to any reemergence.

As an interstate member, the clubs use of social and multi media is to be commended. This type of member engagement has improved markedly. It is clear though from feedback via local members that there are other areas of member engagement that require much needed attention.

The club has to truly analyse why our membership levels are relatively low? Have we contacted members who have cancelled or not renewed? Have we asked why that is the case and what the club could do to address any issues?

I would also like to see some corporate innovation from the board. What other long term and sustainable revenue streams can we bring in other than gaming/pokies? What is being done to ensure our long term financial future? We should be striving to be financial independent and not heavily reliant on our wealthy benefactors.

Not being overly dramatic but I am that passionate about our club that our overall performance, on and off field, has a material impact on my life. I hope that the key decision makers do whatever is required to restore ourselves to where we belong. As a true power club that is to be feared and respected by all and sundry.

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 Post subject: Re: AGM 17 December
PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:43 pm 
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CFC Museum: That the idea is commercially unviable, stems from lack of desire and imagination. Get sponsors, staff it with volunteers, tell Swann to find a way because he seems to be getting paid loads to make excuses. And a CFC museum is not about directly making money, it is about displaying our heritage and enhancing the CFC brand.




This was bought up at the AGM a couple of years ago by a supporter who'd visited Hawthorn's. Can't recall what the response was

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 Post subject: Re: AGM 17 December
PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:54 pm 
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The default position for ALL memberships should be "opt out" rather than "opt in". That is, memberships should not need to be actively renewed every year. They should automatically be renewed via direct debit unless the member actively chooses to cancel or change their membership. I suspect a lot of drop-outs are due to passive neglect or because members are given a chance to think about and act on renewal before they do. Many businesses eg Health Clubs, Foxtel etc operate on this principle.

All full members including long distance members should automatically be granted voting rights, and not have to go through the obstructive process of registering to vote. This says to the member I AM CARLTON. Almost no-one buys a membership to save money at the gate or get a cap and scarf. It is an emotional commitment of belonging (and to get finals tickets when we are there), not because we want to save money. As a result the club needs to make members feel they are really part of the club and are valued.

Higher level memberships beyond Captains Club should be actively offered and promoted, with offers to join existing or new coterie groups. Don't think I've ever seen these offered. Suspect plenty would be interested.

A full time move to the MCG should be sought. This will have multiple flow on effects for expanding membership and game attendances and participation in game day functions. Almost all of us loathe Etihad, almost all love the MCG for a whole host of reasons.


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 Post subject: Re: AGM 17 December
PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:04 pm 
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RickJ wrote:
The default position for ALL memberships should be "opt out" rather than "opt in". That is, memberships should not need to be actively renewed every year. They should automatically be renewed via direct debit unless the member actively chooses to cancel or change their membership. I suspect a lot of drop-outs are due to passive neglect or because members are given a chance to think about and act on renewal before they do. Many businesses eg Health Clubs, Foxtel etc operate on this principle.

All full members including long distance members should automatically be granted voting rights, and not have to go through the obstructive process of registering to vote. This says to the member I AM CARLTON. Almost no-one buys a membership to save money at the gate or get a cap and scarf. It is an emotional commitment of belonging (and to get finals tickets when we are there), not because we want to save money. As a result the club needs to make members feel they are really part of the club and are valued.

Higher level memberships beyond Captains Club should be actively offered and promoted, with offers to join existing or new coterie groups. Don't think I've ever seen these offered. Suspect plenty would be interested.

A full time move to the MCG should be sought. This will have multiple flow on effects for expanding membership and game attendances and participation in game day functions. Almost all of us loathe Etihad, almost all love the MCG for a whole host of reasons.

There's no point having voting rights if there aren't any elections.


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 Post subject: Re: AGM 17 December
PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:05 pm 
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RickJ wrote:
The default position for ALL memberships should be "opt out" rather than "opt in". That is, memberships should not need to be actively renewed every year. They should automatically be renewed via direct debit unless the member actively chooses to cancel or change their membership. I suspect a lot of drop-outs are due to passive neglect or because members are given a chance to think about and act on renewal before they do. Many businesses eg Health Clubs, Foxtel etc operate on this principle.

All full members including long distance members should automatically be granted voting rights, and not have to go through the obstructive process of registering to vote. This says to the member I AM CARLTON. Almost no-one buys a membership to save money at the gate or get a cap and scarf. It is an emotional commitment of belonging (and to get finals tickets when we are there), not because we want to save money. As a result the club needs to make members feel they are really part of the club and are valued.

Higher level memberships beyond Captains Club should be actively offered and promoted, with offers to join existing or new coterie groups. Don't think I've ever seen these offered. Suspect plenty would be interested.

A full time move to the MCG should be sought. This will have multiple flow on effects for expanding membership and game attendances and participation in game day functions. Almost all of us loathe Etihad, almost all love the MCG for a whole host of reasons.


The best post I have seen here for a while. :clap:


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 Post subject: Re: AGM 17 December
PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:39 pm 
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RickJ wrote:
The default position for ALL memberships should be "opt out" rather than "opt in". That is, memberships should not need to be actively renewed every year. They should automatically be renewed via direct debit unless the member actively chooses to cancel or change their membership. I suspect a lot of drop-outs are due to passive neglect or because members are given a chance to think about and act on renewal before they do. Many businesses eg Health Clubs, Foxtel etc operate on this principle.

All full members including long distance members should automatically be granted voting rights, and not have to go through the obstructive process of registering to vote. This says to the member I AM CARLTON. Almost no-one buys a membership to save money at the gate or get a cap and scarf. It is an emotional commitment of belonging (and to get finals tickets when we are there), not because we want to save money. As a result the club needs to make members feel they are really part of the club and are valued.

Higher level memberships beyond Captains Club should be actively offered and promoted, with offers to join existing or new coterie groups. Don't think I've ever seen these offered. Suspect plenty would be interested.

A full time move to the MCG should be sought. This will have multiple flow on effects for expanding membership and game attendances and participation in game day functions. Almost all of us loathe Etihad, almost all love the MCG for a whole host of reasons.


A great post......we've gone backwards in so many ways over the last 15 or so years; and teams like

Hawthorn and C/wood of course have left us trailing in their wake.

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 Post subject: Re: AGM 17 December
PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:33 am 
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Ockham, IMHO, for ten years my club, when compared to the competition, has been substandard in: media relations, membership growth and our football team’s development.

With the recruitment of MM we have acknowledged and actually done something about the third point – credence to the board members who insisted on this – the following are questions I would like addressed regarding our face to the media and membership:

1. Is it acknowledged, amongst the board, that we need to improve our media performance?
2. Who amongst the board are best able to present a clear, intelligent, educated, forward thinking face to the media and therefore the public?
3. On matters concerning our club would the board consider letting these people appear before the media rather than a President who lacks that strong media management?
4. Has the board done any detailed investigation as to how both Richmond and Essendon* have moved so far in front of us in memberships despite having similar patchy on field records in the last ten years?
5. What are we doing to replicate their strategies?
6. How do we plan to surpass them?

Now obviously if the answer to questions 1 & 4 are no then maybe the rest of the questions are superfluous and maybe I need to stop thinking about my club and go back to the gardening.

Thanks O.R.


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 Post subject: Re: AGM 17 December
PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:03 am 
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Hmm - I can still vote despite only retaining AFL membership. :S

No Sticks, I won't be voting for you...

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 Post subject: Re: AGM 17 December
PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:39 am 
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Did anyone receive their e-mail today from the Club attaching the link about the Members Vote/Elections of New Directors?


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 Post subject: Re: AGM 17 December
PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:25 am 
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
Did anyone receive their e-mail today from the Club attaching the link about the Members Vote/Elections of New Directors?



Yep

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 Post subject: Re: AGM 17 December
PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:39 pm 
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chubbyruss wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
Did anyone receive their e-mail today from the Club attaching the link about the Members Vote/Elections of New Directors?



Yep


I did. It might be worth starting a thread dedicated to discussion about the candidates up for election (maybe in Talking Politics?).

I for one would like to know more about each of the candidates, particularly Joe Abbriano who I know nothing about. His candidate's statement doesn't tell us much. I'd also like to know what happened to Ryan Trainor.

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 Post subject: Re: AGM 17 December
PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:42 pm 
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Already on the board.

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 Post subject: Re: AGM 17 December
PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:43 pm 
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The Rhino wrote:
Already on the board.


Who? Joe or Ryan?

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 Post subject: Re: AGM 17 December
PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:47 pm 
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I see Ryan joined the Board last month. I must have missed that one....
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/board/tabid ... fault.aspx

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 Post subject: Re: AGM 17 December
PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:51 pm 
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
Did anyone receive their e-mail today from the Club attaching the link about the Members Vote/Elections of New Directors?

I got a letter.


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 Post subject: Re: AGM 17 December
PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:04 pm 
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interesting article in the weekend paper;

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victor ... 6523381195

Fahour doesn't want to turn back the clock to the glory days of the 1980s when you could set your clock by the postman, and flags at Princess Park was an almost annual event.

Instead he knows it is time to deliver at warp speed to turn Carlton and Australia Post from relics into 21st-century powerhouses.

But the sands of time are ticking and more hard decisions are needed before Fahour can begin to claim the success he thirsts after.


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 Post subject: Re: AGM 17 December
PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:14 pm 
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I got an email, and then some propaganda in the mail.
There are 5 who want you to vote for them, and leave Joe out.
All I could ascertain about Joe on the voting link, was that he is the voice for membership.
So, why would I want to leave the only voice for membership out?
The mail comes with info on the 5 that want you to vote for them only. Poor Joe. maybe he will have a separate spiel coming out in the mail.

who exactly is Joe???
any advice, and more info would be most welcome. There are a couple there I don't want to vote for, but I don't want my vote thrown out either.

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 Post subject: Re: AGM 17 December
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Is anyone finding the computershare/investorvote site doesn't load?

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 Post subject: Re: AGM 17 December
PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:39 pm 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
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Restore voting rights to Long Distance Members.

I'm better off just buying tickets to the games I go to than getting Long Distance Membership.

The only value of the Long Distance Membership was the vote, and this has been stripped.

I am no longer a member due to this.


Was mentioned at last years AGM that voting rights to Long Distance Members will be restored this year.



To Interstate members and supporters, I can tell you that what was said at last year's AGM was that the issue of whether long distant members should be entitled to vote would be considered by the board prior to the following AGM. As a then member of the audit, risk governance and HR committee, the issue was again raised and it was determined that an 11 game membership ought to be the minimum requirement for voting rights. I am sorry that this issue has created a divide but I am not sure the result would have been different had it been raised when drafted the changes in the first place. The Board has determined that an 11 game membership as a minimum should entitle a person the right to vote.


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