For every rookie ruck that has gone on to be a star, theres another half dozen who have fizzled out.
You dont trade out 3 developing ruckmen and play chooklotto with the draft unless you're on a fast track to shitville.

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Perhaps we are.

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Warnock to Collingwood for Dale Thomas. Daisy hates Buckley and would like to be reunited with Mick.

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Come to the bossom of Daddy MM.

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No....Never!!

Stuff Daisy, no more downhill skiers....



I am surprised that people are talking up possibly trading kruezer. I think he is set for a good run over the next few years and I feel that Mick will use him in a matter that will not wear him down as much as he has been of late.



I can't help but think of Kruezers finals campain last year and where he may take his football with a bit of luck on the injury front. I would hate to trade him only to see him take his football to that level and possibly beyond, consistantly.

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I'm a real fan of 2 good ruckmen.

It's what we do if one goes down that bothers me.

If MM continues with the small 2nd ruck (and I think he did that bc he didn't have any other talller option), then Casgoult, Rowe, let alone Hampson and Kreuzer could fill that role.

My No 1 ruck is Warnock, and if he attracts some good value out there, or Hammer, or Kreuzer for that matter, its worth looking at.

Oh yeah, my 2nd ruck/FF is Hampson/Casboult/Rowe/Mitchell with Kreuzer in the mix, but as my RR when he's super fit and not so heavy. But that's me, if they're all in form.

We need a midfielder more than we need to hold onto all of our 3, and I used to want to keep the quartet if we could (Jacobs included).

Depends what the market offers. Always does.....these days

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Warnock may as well be traded. He never taps to our advantage so the best chance we have of him tapping to us is if he plays for another team. Win/win.

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Im with Psych
All 3 can only play ruck
so if all 3 are fit 2 will play reserves every week.
trade and get some picks
for what its worth I would trade Warnock everydaty of the week.

Can some of you analytical stats gurus tell me in how many of the past 45 games, has the club had all 3 ruckman fit to play.

Regards Cazzesman

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Only this year when Ratts came up with the smart idea to play all three in the AFL.

Isn't that one of the issues? How many games has Jacobs missed?

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Developing?

Next season Warnock is 26, Hampson is 25, Kruezer is 24.

How long to we wait??

Warnock up and running would be our best ruckman especially at stoppages. But his body won't allow it.

Hampson is an athlete but can't mark. For some reason we have tried to develop him as a forward which has only stagnated his improvement as a ruckman

Kruezer is a hunter and works hard but is poor regarding his ruckwork and has proven himself to be a "pinch-hit" forward as best. Not big enough or have the mongrel to have a consistent influence.

Trade them whilst they have value. We would do just as well with a "Griffin" type in the ruck supported by a Casboult. Have a mature age (ala Stephenson) as a back up.

We could make major improvements to our list. Add Caddy, Cloke/Goddard etc to our list and some gun kids and it wouldnt matter who rucked. These days its about stoppage work and rotations. Unless a ruckman is an A grade star they don't have much influence. Ours aren't and wont be.

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Better yet, get a basketballer who played some footy as a kid. The 'alternative talent' rule allows AFL clubs to recruit players from other sports. And it doesn't cost a draft pick, a spot on the list or count towards the salary cap. Gotta be as good as Hampson.

Warnock would be more valuable if Kruz could play as a forward as Warnock is a much better ruckman than Hampson.

That said it is clear Kruz is not upto it as a forward and needs to play first ruck. On that basis Hampson is better value as he provides both Ruck and Fwd cover.

The reality is I don't see Hampson or 206 in our side next season unless we have injuries, much prefer Casbolt.

I would have thoughts its pretty obvious most ruckmen dont hit their peak until mid 20s.
And just as ours are getting to that stage, you want to offload them all.

I'm happy to trade 1 but to suggest we get rid of all 3 is ludicrous IMHO.

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..Krooz for Caddy?, hell No..

Hammer for 25, Knockers for 30..?.. ..and yet only a couple of years ago we were cryin' FOUL when cows wouldn't divvy up a 1st rounder for Sauce..

..lets trade out all our real ruck talent for some sub-quality rucks, and go back to the great rucking days of mclaren, Ackland and cloke.. ..yer gettin' too excited with the idea of trading..

..lookit, Krooz is our best ruck day in, day out.. ....his tap work is improving, and i can recall more 'pure taps to adv' from Krooz than either Knockers or Hampson.. ..Krooz tackles, blocks, shepherds, 1%s more than either ruck as well.. ..he'll get more touches around the ground too.. ..when his body gets right and settled over this off-season we'll have him back at his best..

..lookit this way, since he came back from his ACL he's been patchy in his fitness, and yet for that year and a half i can think of more games where's he's dominated, vs games that either Knockers or Hampson has dominated.. ..he's only really had 1 serious injury, vs how many injuries now to Knockers and Hammer.. ..ppl need to stop counting just hitouts, and look at the stoppage.. ..Krooz may get out-tapped, but he usually managed to negate easy clearances with his follow-up work inside the stoppages.. ..and i think 'finals footy' is what he's made for.. ..you need that big bodied, bullocking ruck in finals..

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I'm not saying they can't play. But IMO none will be top line "A Grade" players. The more A grade players you can get into a side the better chance you have.

BV, you say why trade them now. Because they may well be at the top of their value. They could be worth nothing in 2-3 years.

Kruezer for a Caddy or a Top 10 pick is a huge win. Caddy will be a ten year "a grade" mid. Kruezer with his body type, size may well of peaked already. We stuffed up with picking him ahead of Cotchin and we need to accept it and get the best we can.

I rate Kruezer No.3 on our list. A great ruckman needs a "presence" and "mongrel" around the stoppages. He doesn't have that trait. He doesn't bullock and push and create space and protect our mids. He never will. His ruckwork will never be elite because he simply doesn't have the jump or size. Unfortunately I believe he will be no more than a slightly better model of Josh Fraser.

Have one standard ruckman in a side (look at Maric) surrounded by our current mids plus Caddy, Goddard or Cloke up forward and 2-3 first round draft picks we would be a much better line up. Our list has some great talent but needs more quality and we should never stop trying to add to it.

As has been discussed with Russell, Bower, Thornton etc they are just more average type players. Our Ruckman get less scrutiny because they are ruckman. In all fairness they are just average.

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Someone tell the Eagles before they make a fool of themselves tomorrow. And yes I do know that Warnock isnt a pimple on Cox's arse.

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Its time we start "falling out of love" with our players, or should that be stop "falling in love" with them.

Its a trait that we should have left behind in the 90s.

I have to agree with "The Psych" - if our list is better served by trading Kreuzer so be it.

We have to be ruthless in the pursuit of a better playing list - there are only 2 ways you can do it - trading and drafting.

We better start getting better at both.

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