Obviously. It's pretty simple. Looking purely at the stoppages...Carrazzo goes down. Is there a player/players to fill the void. In the coaches eyes - Yes. In the players eyes - No. Why? I don't know. Why wouldn't you put your hand up and say 'Give me a go in the guts...I know I can perform'? Were the players too conditioned to the midfield game plan that Judd..I mean the coaches put in place over summer which failed to address the hypothetical of roles changing if the contested ball-winners went down?



No...they had their designated and practiced roles. Players got injured. The roles changed. The preparedness to adapt hasn't come.



I'm not disagreeing with you here...both coaches and players to blame. Perhaps some more than most.



I think I was pretty clear. The numbers don't lie. If you think stats don't matter then you're wrong. They matter. Well...most do.



Open training sessions are glorified kick-to-kick these days. But if you want my opinion, I don't think we have enough bodies on our list who want to go in and get the footy as if their life (or contracts) depended on it. I can think of three in Judd, Robinson and Simpson - but two in that list are better utilized elsewhere.

well he could always do what that headless chook Curnow does and run up down the feild chasing the ball and not getting it and then when he does gets caught and turns it over

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So the perception that Robbo should be an extractor are clearly misplaced given his reluctance to take on that role?

stats do lie when they are being used in situations that have nothing to do with each other!
prior to game against bombers and that game onwards!
we don't have contested ball winners! we don't have a team with that ethic!

who's fault?

Gibbs is not crap!

sure he can throw himself in to answer his critics. like Murphy did!

so what?

balance to training and types is wrong!

the players are now finding that out and they don't believe!

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Its a fine line between confidence, spirit and laziness.

Can I give a definitive answer to which? No, unless I speak directly with the players but I know which way I am leaning.

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Got my doubts on that one.

Gibbs does not need to be Josh Kennedy at swans to be a good footballer.
but the club need that kind of player!
we are out of whack playing the style of game we are now forced to play!

can blame Gibbs all you want but the club knew he wasn't that kind of player when they went drafting.

Gibbs is a creative player who had his creativity curbed by being a run with player.

now we have been found short in the guts we are expecting guys who can't do that to do it!

it all gets down to a balanced list!

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Need to get McLean into the guts and keep it simple for him.
Get the contested ball and extracted to the runners. Don't worry about spreading and linking-let the others do that.
Just get to the next contest/clearance and do it again and again and again. This is your job.

Roos pointed out the flaws in our defensive stoppage setups OTC...players in attacking mindsets when they should be finding a balance.

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I would add Scotland, Kreuzer and Ellard to that list from the midfield types.

Actually good point and one I made during the game. Not one of our midfielders was standing defensive side of the centre.
Should this not be identified by our coaches or our on ground leaders at the very least and rectified. I have to admit, I am scratching my head currently in a lot of area's.

The Roos analysis OTC suggested there are too many keen to go in, especially when in our defensive 50. Chasing the ball...the Van Berlo goal for example, Murphy was responsible for him yet you watch the footage and Murphy has no eyes on Van Berlo...Murphy moves towards the ruckmen and it goes over his head straight to Van Berlo for a goal.

The inbalance in attacking/defending is staggering given this midfield group have been working together for a number of years, working together under pretty much the same coach.

edit: Further to this, it goes some way to explaining why once the opposition win a clearance they score so easily - our mids are so out-positioned that there is no chance of them applying any significant pressure on the clearance winner.

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Great analysis Doc.

Refreshing to see people trying to explain where things are going wrong rather than going off half mad searching for coaching candidates

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We have been poor at defensive stoppages for years. McVeigh kicked three goals on Judd in the final a couple years back. Seems we haven't learnt. Is that the players or coaches or both ?

was the game before mcveigh kicked 3 goals

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

where things went wrong??????

we got smashed!!!!!

Thats where things went wrong....


anyway.... glad to see you enjoyed the analysis and you got happy about something and all positive and tingly.

We can fix it .... its just been 5 games straight.

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Inside the numbers... Thought, Wow! Ratts is starting his own footy talk show now.

(Sorry, couldn't help myself).


Interesting stats and story. Very interested to see where Carlton sees the problem(s) and how they go about rectifying it.

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Doc that is the type of intellectual pull that takes a page to describe the symptoms to deflect readers from the cause of the problem who are kernahan, ratten
, swan and half the list. Just quietly carazzo won't make a huge difference given the opposition have worked out the gameplan. Most of his career he is has been the cause of our mediocrity. Another mid tier recruit with major deficiencies in his game. (disposal and tackling)

Is that all you've got?

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