And if the "sugar coaters" don't agree, then we will give our view. It's just one man's opinion. Either argument could be right.

No. No it's not. But I think you've hit the nail on the head. The average supporter thinks exactly that. And that, in part, is the part of the problem.

Just give us the Cup.........!


kindest regards tommi

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that'siti'mnotchangingthistagain......!

Well, chances are that the closer you are to any organisation/institution the more faults you'll find.
That's always been the case and always will be.

It's like everyone is the perfect parent and has the solution to every parenting problem, until they become one.

I'll put it to you that if you ventured deep inside any club you'll find much of the same: ego, self-indulgence, arrogance etc etc.

If indeed there is something sinister going on then I'm very interested.

I'd wager that if you ventured deep(ly) inside the Geelong Football Club for example, you'd find either a lot less of that, OR a structure/system to not allow it to interfere with the business of winning flags, attracting and retaining customers (supporters), attracting and retaining sponsors, and running a successful business.

Everything ISN'T like everything else.

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What happened to the Cats in 2010?

They imploded with Thompson's and Ablett's public feud taking them down a peg. Everyone wrote them off. Collingwood's feud between Mick and Buckley would have affected them too. We're not perfect in every department, but neither are the Pies who had to threaten Didak and Shaw with a trade to get them in line. A club won a flag and then disappeared for three seasons. They lost it on and off the field with at least four players testing positive to drugs. I guess every other club except Carlton is perfect. Plus they had a big mouth President who give the media headlines at a drop of a hat.

This isn't 2006 again. I think we're heading in the right direction. Doc's followers might think differently. Some supporters can't help but follow the lead of the more senior posters and parrot their opinions.

Yeah but nah man it totally is

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STURDYISM!!

If indeed there is something sinister going on then I'm very interested.[/quote]
I'd wager that if you ventured deep(ly) inside the Geelong Football Club for example, you'd find either a lot less of that, OR a structure/system to not allow it to interfere with the business of winning flags, attracting and retaining customers (supporters), attracting and retaining sponsors, and running a successful business.

Everything ISN'T like everything else.[/quote]


They just couldn't quite hang onto their best player and their coach, though.

Anyway, I don't know all teams internal issues nor would I profess to know.
I do though know that if you look for "issues" you'll find them quite regularly.

EDIT: Beat me to it Kouta..

Ok...well - that's sorted then! How 'bout those training sessions!

Sorted? I don't even know the f***ing issue.

Anyway, we still all come back to barracking for the same team, amd that's all that....................hang on.

I think that's the point Hark's.

If you did know what the issues where your view would carry as much weight or worse you might think the issues trivial and not worth the fuss being made.

Love the reports, keep ém comming.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

Carlton F. C. had bigger internal issues at the end of 1979 and we got over them

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Bawditawaba

I'm not sure which of the 3 or 4 points of your non-clear thinking to address first.

1. The Cats imploded in 2010 - yes. .....after 2 flags in 3 years. So what did they do? Pulled themselves up by their bootstraps, got a new young great intelligent coach, and promptly won the NEXT flag (3 in 5 years!)
2. You're talking about Collingwood and Hawthorn in response to my post. Straw man much?
3. You're talking about parrotting more senior posters in response to my post. Doc Sherrin joined the site 43 days before me...... 7 years ago. I would hardly call him more senior. We're all equal here, and I just happen to agree with him on some issues.

I want to see the club prosper, and I'm sure it will. But I've been an active supporter of it since 1962 (that's 50 years - probably makes me more senior than you.... ), and have seen it implode on more than a few occasions. In this day and age, we really need to be playing close to 100% on and off the field. And if I'm asked for a role model, I do look at Geelong, which seems to have the capacity to recover from all sorts of stuff including losing their premiership coach and best player the same year. Just as a comparison, imagine at the end of 1981 that David Parkin and Wayne Johnston walk out of Carlton. Do you reckon we would've won the 1982 flag? Possibly, but we demonstrated the year before that we may not have.

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Respect afforded, Moshe.

It goes without saying that we all want to see the club prosper, but what exactly do we mean by implode?
Yes, we're all aware of the disaster of the early 2000's but I, like you, have lived through 8 premierships in my time and if that's imploding, give me more of the same.
O.K. I may be somewhat flippant here, but have I missed this impending shadow of doom cast upon the club?

The critical signals seem to be pointing in the right direction by way of off-field and hopefully on-feld success, so what demons are we actually needing to ward off?
Are we just shadow boxing here or have we some real concerns afoot, of the objective kind?

You blokes can write what ever you like. I love youse all.

Come nestle my bosom and weep quietly.

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This might sound extreme in the context of alleged sexual assault, drunken violence and a drug trafficking charge...

Well

You've got me stuffed

here i was reading through this brilliant training report , through the eyes of 1 person ( and some others too ), thinking that we're on the right track. i was appreciating the effort of those who took time to post there views, of what and how they saw our team training.

Then you come out with that comment?

can someone fill in the pieces for me please cos I am completely baffled


Your comment leads me to believe that there is a seriuos problem at our club that YOU know of but are unwilling to expand on.......OR is it just me

I cannot believe what I'm reading in here from some lately.
Seriously we have a list that can do anything and seriously becoming anything over the next few years. We have a young exciting coaching group and more importantly a good football smart person leading the coaching team. We have an administration that keeps moving forward off field and still people are whinging about the life at CFC.
I hope Brett and others don't read some of these posts and keep looking forward to the season ahead like I am. Actually, I bet Ratt's is also thinking how lucky he is to be coaching such a exciting bunch of footballers and how he can't wait for season 2012 to begin because he is going to cause some havoc with the group he has at his disposal, while some in here will still be too busy griping about something irrelevant!
Bring on 2012 and go baggers.

I learnt a while ago that, if you want to maintain the wonderful illusion that is following a professional sports team, the less you know about the behind-the-scenes stuff the better.

I have a theory about this. I am convinced that some supporters are only happy when they can whinge about the club, accentuate the negetives so to speak. I think it reflects more about thier pyschological state and sense of self worth than anything thats going on at the club.

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A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty" -Winston Churchill

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Yep so true. Often the same in a workplace as well.

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A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty" -Winston Churchill

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