Besides a random comment from Synbad, why do you think the salary cap is an issue? Do you know the details on how we're managing the loading of contracts?

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Yes you did.

Apparantly we're paying Gibbs outside the salary cap

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I don't think it's that tight, but it's certainly narrowing down from the position we were in post-Fev trade.

The thing is, a remotely 'big fish' play where people used to throw around 400k-600k contracts are now more like 600k-800k contracts, once you count all the bells and whistles. Bit weird when the salary cap goes up by between 3-5% p.a. on average.

We're around the top of the table; we don't have the room to manoeuvre that kind of deal, nor do any of the other clubs around that mark (Collingwood, Geelong, Hawthorn). Unfortunately they have cups in the bag in the last 5 years, and we don't. Time to play to our potential, instead of letting a club like West Coast make up the numbers while they mature.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

And how we do this.... by trading!

So jimmae as a Moderator? Beyond your inexorably love for your 20000th post? How is this relevant to the thread? Surely your "power" could dismiss the irrelevant posts?

If you genuinely believe that, then good. Just don't come back to complain when we trade someone like Setanta or Austin to move up 4-8 spots in the second round.


Yep, excuse me while I censor the whole forum then proceed to talk to myself and learn nothing.

We have gone off track a bit though, but we have relevant threads, or can make them. And hey look... we're there already. How did that happen??

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

All this angst based on a rumor by Synbad.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

The argument about whether we are very tight re salary cap or not probably hinges on whether we delist and payout Brock or not. If we are happy to retain Bower and Setanta, then Brock is the logical guy to be delisted. He clearly has no part in the MCs plans as his lack of games when we are screaming out for an in and under suggests. We might as well pay him out as have him taking a spot on the list with no likelihood of getting a game. The reason we wouldn't delist and pay out presumably is that we can't fit his payout salary and the lower salaries of Bower and So'h in the cap. Of course what we say at this time and what we do are different and hopefully we can offload Brock to anywhere even if we have to pay half is salary. If he stays on the list at the expense particularly of Bower, then that is bad list management and would suggest there are salary cap reasons for retaining him. If he couldn't get a game when both Ellard and Curnow were in the 2s and he was regularly in the Ants best, he is never going to get a game. No place on the list for a guy who is never going to get a game.

why don't we delist mclean?
he won't be playing next year in the firsts.
the answer is he is four hundred thousand and if sweet retire him he becomes four hundred plus basic wages for someone else making it closer to five hundred thousand dollar spot.

setanta has a better chance of playing then mclean .
but we have to clear him out .

salary cap space.

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The answer is even more simple than that though!!

Our cap isnt the problem, we have front loaded many of the $$$ for Brock and Judd, have Hoops leaving, many players not on big dollars and their money has been spread very well, we've got plenty of wriggle room.

Bower and setanta are not leaving for more $$$ and are not being squeezed out because things are tight. Brock is on bugger all this next year and if we were desperate for the list space and felt he was a drain on the list he would go.

Obviously the MC and powers that be just dont agree that we should ditch him at all costs. If we were offered a good outcome in a trade (and this goes for both Bower and Setanta too) then we might take that option otherwise no biggie!!!

There is nothing sinister going on in the back room and given the circumstances things would have panned out the same way if Icke was still around.

But Lily, there is no way we will be offered anything for him. We have made it clear he is no longer AFL standard, and I am surprised you say he is on bugger all given the paper talk of $400k. If he is not on much, then surely we would delist him as PB and So'h can be handy back ups but Brock just has no place. If the MC reckon he has value why don't they ever give him a game. We have to get rid of one more guy off our list, who is it going to be, especially if we don't get a trade. And PB would have his lowest possible currency at the moment. But he is top 10 b& f top 20 draft pick and needs an injury free year

Lets see who gets delisted at years end. If Brocks contract was frontloaded and with Ryan retired I figure we have $350 000 to $450 000 to play with.

My suspicision it will be Brock that goes and we pay him out.

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L.M 35-06

If the MC don't agree with your take then the suggestion there is a salary cap issue is not valid. Perhaps the MC thinks Setanta has less of a chance of playing than McLean.

At the moment it's not so much about money issues, but more about the AFL rule that states there has to be a min 3 changes to the Clubs list.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

It has been well reported both with in and outside the club that salary cap pressure is not an issue this year.
Why start a maicious umour to further upset people on here who are already insecure about aspects of the club. Insecure with no foundation by the way

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What friggin football manager does his recruiting/list work just before or during trade week? The work is done well before trade week.

Here Here

And Swan, Ratten, Hughes and every other football department employee would have been working on this since seasons end and even before, because thats what good clubs do and Carlton is a good and improving club

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Pretty hard to think that Caz. When we were short a tall they went for Setanta and if he hadn't spent so much time injured he would have played after Waite went down. Whereas the MC wouldn't pick Brock even when we were screaming out for an in and under player. And I think in the Geelong game he was subbed out at possibly the earliest time any uninjured player was subbed for the whole season. When Hampson and Waite were injured we went for Setanta, when Curnow was we didn't go for Brock.

I hope we don't have cap issues because it becomes a no brainer that Brock would be delisted. Perhaps last year they thought they would have cap space by trading Walks and TBird but they stayed and thrived so the cap space has shrunk. anyway we will know soon enough. Just hope we don't sacrifice someone else because of brock's generous 3 year deal.

Brock better chance to play than setanta?

don't make me laugh.

very funny.

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The paper talk is just his total contract divided by 3. Not how it is distributed. Bower and setanta are not seeking chances elsewhere because of Brock or $$$. The list space is the common denominator but still not desperate.

I'm not sure the mc have drawn a line thru Brock just yet and really the depth issue is on hard bodies in the mid field not talls although you can never have too much quality. Brock may still get games next year or he may not but not at the expense of bower/Irish.

I agree that losing bower now is not ideal but it's the same argument with him as Brock. When we had tall depth issues with jamo ladler white and duigs, bower remained in the 2's and hendo went back, so he might see his options elsewhere but I hope he stays or we get a good deal.