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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 11:52 pm 
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That's hardly where most of the damage was done. Skill errors under perceived pressure from the midfield and defenders is where we fell down as well as getting hurt on the rebound. Hampson becomes a better player with each week that he misses.


We got smashed at the clearances and Warnock had no back-up.

You can never know for sure if we'd have won but it was clear that the MC wanted him to play and so they thought he was an improvement.

I was at the game and i certainly believe that Hammer could have had a big impact.


They had five more clearances than us in a game where Judd was monstered and couldn't get free.

Hampson more than anyone else on the list plays better the more match fitness and continuity in his play that he gets, bringing him in for his first game back while underdone would've been a mistake in a big final.


He wasn't underdone. Played two or three seconds games and was training the house down.

Judd's inability to get a free would not change if Hammer plays, but If we square the clearances or even get 5 up on them , you could reasonably expect to improve by three points.

However, even without Hampson we made some discipline errors which proved just as costly.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:53 am 
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Hammer and Bower walked past me when I was going to my seat just before the game. Both appeared to be walking just fine and both had the dirtiest looks on their faces. My interpretation was that they were pissed off at missing out.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:22 am 
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He wasn't underdone. Played two or three seconds games and was training the house down.

Judd's inability to get a free would not change if Hammer plays, but If we square the clearances or even get 5 up on them , you could reasonably expect to improve by three points.

However, even without Hampson we made some discipline errors which proved just as costly.


That is underdone, especially for Hampson. He usually needs a lot longer than that as well as a few successive games in the seniors before he gets into the swing of it.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:16 am 
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Had he been in for Davies it may have made a difference. However I hate taking underdone players into finals. Especially a ruckman. Jolly was not right on Saturday and that cost Collingwood. :lol:


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:18 am 
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Sin City wrote:
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He wasn't underdone. Played two or three seconds games and was training the house down.

Judd's inability to get a free would not change if Hammer plays, but If we square the clearances or even get 5 up on them , you could reasonably expect to improve by three points.

However, even without Hampson we made some discipline errors which proved just as costly.


That is underdone, especially for Hampson. He usually needs a lot longer than that as well as a few successive games in the seniors before he gets into the swing of it.


So you wouldn't have picked him, I would.

2012 , where are you?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:17 pm 
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Had he been in for Davies it may have made a difference. However I hate taking underdone players into finals. Especially a ruckman. Jolly was not right on Saturday and that cost Collingwood. :lol:



I dont think Hampson was underdone - as I mentioned in another thread it would have been nice to have Hampson wrestling with Glass in the goalsquare in the last quarter of the Semi-Final instead of Walker - with Hampson at 202cm, Glass may have had no alternative but try and chop the arms in that contest which MAY (and I use the word MAY advisedely) resulted in a more obvious free kick.

Its a lot of ifs, buts and maybes but structurally I think Hampson would have offered a lot in that Semi-Final.

Here's hoping we can keep a full set of talls on the park in 2012. :wink:

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That's hardly where most of the damage was done. Skill errors under perceived pressure from the midfield and defenders is where we fell down as well as getting hurt on the rebound. Hampson becomes a better player with each week that he misses.

I think you're forgetting the half a dozen centre bounces where Cox helped Kerr & co waltz out with the ball, netting either a goal or an assist.

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cimm1979 wrote:
Sin City wrote:
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He wasn't underdone. Played two or three seconds games and was training the house down.

Judd's inability to get a free would not change if Hammer plays, but If we square the clearances or even get 5 up on them , you could reasonably expect to improve by three points.

However, even without Hampson we made some discipline errors which proved just as costly.


That is underdone, especially for Hampson. He usually needs a lot longer than that as well as a few successive games in the seniors before he gets into the swing of it.


So you wouldn't have picked him, I would.

2012 , where are you?


Actually pretty sure during the week I was all for him being picked, looking back at the game though it's clear that we lost it through skill errors, in particular the second quarter along with poor manning up.


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jimmae wrote:
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That's hardly where most of the damage was done. Skill errors under perceived pressure from the midfield and defenders is where we fell down as well as getting hurt on the rebound. Hampson becomes a better player with each week that he misses.

I think you're forgetting the half a dozen centre bounces where Cox helped Kerr & co waltz out with the ball, netting either a goal or an assist.


Yeah it happened exactly like that, good stat :roll:

Things like Judd and Robinson's kicks straight to the opposition, some poor manning up on Kerr, Hurn and Nicoski at times and some panicking leading to bad decisions are the things that shouldn't have happened and the things that lead to us falling well behind.


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Sin City wrote:
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That's hardly where most of the damage was done. Skill errors under perceived pressure from the midfield and defenders is where we fell down as well as getting hurt on the rebound. Hampson becomes a better player with each week that he misses.

I think you're forgetting the half a dozen centre bounces where Cox helped Kerr & co waltz out with the ball, netting either a goal or an assist.


Yeah it happened exactly like that, good stat :roll:

Things like Judd and Robinson's kicks straight to the opposition, some poor manning up on Kerr, Hurn and Nicoski at times and some panicking leading to bad decisions are the things that shouldn't have happened and the things that lead to us falling well behind.

I'd rather address a systematic problem than lapses in concentration or effort.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 3:45 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
I'd rather address a systematic problem than lapses in concentration or effort.


:screwy:

Hampson is no sure thing to change the result in a game, especially with how he struggles for consistency early on, it was periods of poor or undisciplined play around the ground that cost us.


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