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 Post subject: Re: Bring back FEV !
PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:59 pm 
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I can just picture everyone tentatively circling this thread, pondering whether to put in an opinion for fear of being howled down.

We've all had a love hate relationship with Fev ever since he kicked 12 in the Millenium game.

He's been a destructive influence on the club, and a source of great joy. I hate his self absorbed arrogance and his European soccer style celebrations. I'm still angry at him for pissing it all away. I cant believe I still have a soft spot for him. I am happy for him that he's on fire in the VFL.

Our hopes are up at the moment because we're a very good side, but recent weeks have suggested we're fragile, and I'm fearful of how we'll do in the finals ahead. We need a full fit list (especially Jamo and Waite) to be competitive against the best sides, and we have holes in our structure, not the least of which is the absence of a power marking forward. The young candidates we have for this role dont impress me (sorry Hendo and Hammer) although they may improve to be adequate or even very good over the next couple of years.

If he finishes the VFL year on a good note I'd pick him up. Rookie listed and minimum salary almost nothing to lose. Great insurance. If the young guys are going to be that good let them show it and keep him out of the side. If he bursts down the barn door like we know he can, then he earns his spot. He may likely get offers elsewhere (especially from GWS) but his heart is still Carlton and I love that he feels like this.

I know I sound like an abused wife that keeps taking her partner back despite everyone telling her she's mad. Admit it. How many of you think we could pinch the flag next year with a fit and firing Fevola in the side?

I cant see it happening because I cant see Ratts backing down on this. But its tantalising! Good luck to Brendan anyway.


Good post, feel the same way. Our best team at their best is very good, but we're clearly lacking in quality key position players that are ready to have an impact. The Hawks are the 3rd best team and their depth is clearly stronger than ours.

We have 3 years tops to contend with Judd near his best. This is the most lop-sided season ever, the teams below us won't be so bad for long. Look at the ladder, there are some good young lists at many of those clubs. Look at Collingwood and Hawthorn - they have the talent, the youth and the resources to stay up there for another 5 years. The pressure is on to get results soon, no doubt.

The club needs to be honest in assessing where they're at and consider all avenues to take the next step to true premiership contention.

Your arguments sound like the rational behind the decisions to recruit Mansfield, O'Reilly and Mclean to address a list weakness.

Why is a 31 year old the answer?

Fevola is Bradshaw with a bad mentality, not injuries holding him back from being the answer.

In Fevola's case, once he stuffs up again, then the cost of his recruitment will be more damaging than trading a first round pick for a player who is too slow for the AFL.


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 Post subject: Re: Bring back FEV !
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Deserves a spot on a AFL list, just not ours...

Wish him the best and really hope he gets back and sorts out his life but he did too much wrong to gain another chance at carlton.


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 Post subject: Re: Bring back FEV !
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Most of the negatives use logic that would have stopped the dogs from drafting repeat offender Hall with serious anger management issues or of course Cusins with his repeat offender history.

I'm not comparing drug problems or senseless violence with Fevs various problems because that's pointless. Apples and oranges.

There are lots of good reasons not to take him back but saying he doesn't deserve another chance because he blew his last one is harsh.


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 Post subject: Re: Bring back FEV !
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 Post subject: Re: Bring back FEV !
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Most of the negatives use logic that would have stopped the dogs from drafting repeat offender Hall with serious anger management issues or of course Cusins with his repeat offender history.

I'm not comparing drug problems or senseless violence with Fevs various problems because that's pointless. Apples and oranges.

There are lots of good reasons not to take him back but saying he doesn't deserve another chance because he blew his last one is harsh.

yeah, but... the swans didn't take back Hall, nor West Coast, Cousins. if Fev gets another crack at AFL, it wont be at Carlton. (nor should it be)

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 Post subject: Re: Bring back FEV !
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Most of the negatives use logic that would have stopped the dogs from drafting repeat offender Hall with serious anger management issues or of course Cusins with his repeat offender history.

I'm not comparing drug problems or senseless violence with Fevs various problems because that's pointless. Apples and oranges.

There are lots of good reasons not to take him back but saying he doesn't deserve another chance because he blew his last one is harsh.

yeah, but... the swans didn't take back Hall, nor West Coast, Cousins. if Fev gets another crack at AFL, it wont be at Carlton. (nor should it be)


Well Im not in favour of taking back Fev, but Hawthorn took back Croad and Collingood Tarrant.

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 Post subject: Re: Bring back FEV !
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No one has ever doubted that he can play it's just all the utter nonsense and stupidity that comes with it. The club is bigger than the individual and it ought to be a resounding no but..... as has been said, stranger things have happened.

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 Post subject: Re: Bring back FEV !
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Fev's AFL career is done. Maybe St Kilda if they are desperate, but I doubt it.

It is a crying shame for such a naturally gifted footballer. I always thought he had talent, but it was Pagan that said he had Carey-like talent and only he could realise it. For all he achieved, it was not as much as he could have.

I worry that Brendan will not hit rock bottom until he learns it really is all over. I also expect that the public Carlton sniping from him will start when this occurs.


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 Post subject: Re: Bring back FEV !
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Shit yeah!

It'd be great to get back to the days when fev used to kick 6 goals a week. In a losing side.



Surely QUOTE or POST of the week perhaps even the year!!


Well if you award quote of the year for stupidity it is. He kicked 6 a week in a losing side.....because the losing side was shit. Don't reinvent history with pathetic analysis.


Sure.

And yet amazingly, we get more goals from our forwards now than we did when Fev was The Man in our F50.

Personally, I couldn't care less about his off-field indiscretions. I reckon there would be 50 guys currently playing AFL of far more dubious character today. But his work on the field was all about Fev-first, team second.

Fun to watch, exciting cameos, great entertainment, and shit team football. You reckon that you can just slot Fevola into our setup and it'd be like magically adding the missing ingredient? The team would function well as a unit, but with the added bonus of 60 extra goals and a whole heap of opportunities for the crumbers?

Fevola has always played as an individual. He's Mark Jackson, Warrick Capper. "You've got front row tickets to the Fev show" he once told an opponent.

That pretty much sums him up, and that's why he's playing in the VFL. He's every modern coach's nightmare. Because the days of the hero individualistic FF are gone.

Remember those times we stood and applauded when he actually applied genuine pressure when the opposition had the ball? We applauded because they were so rare. He played the team game when he could be bothered. But never as a matter of course.

That kind of attitude doesn't win you premierships. not now.


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 Post subject: Re: Bring back FEV !
PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:00 am 
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If he accepted a spot, bugger all pay and strict behavioral clauses, then l'm all for it if he is 100% dedicated to finishing his career on a good note like tarrant who was a dick at pies earlier on in his career. If he hasn't pulled his head in after a season away from the game, then he will never be.

I keep hearing our forward line is better without Fev, but we have the same game plan, kick to the pocket or kick it to a pack. But, we have Betts as the keyforward in the pack most times. Our forward line is shakey at times. Against WCE, we had nothing without waite. Against bulldogs we had nothing. Against Pies we lost twice because we didn't have a key forward that could take a tough mark. Eddie betts has scored only a couple goals against top 4 sides this year. You will always struggle to win a premiership without the power rankings.

With or without Fev, we need a key forward in this years draft thats ready to go.

With Fev we used to beat the Pies, now we lose :). I say if we bungle out of the finals against bombers, we take the punt.


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Minimum wage, behavioural clauses where he wont be able to even take a shit without being watched, then MAYBE


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 Post subject: Re: Bring back FEV !
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Yes bring him back!

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 Post subject: Re: Bring back FEV !
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JohnM, the time he applied genuine pressure and chasing was the same game, late in the last quarter against the Hawks when he was stuck on 99 goals. We were over 10 goals down and not going to win. Is it any coincidence that when there was personal glory on the line, he chases his guts out, especially considering the game was long over? Do people seriously think he'd have done it if he'd gone nowhere near 100 goals for the year, OR, if he'd already kicked the ton earlier in the game? Hell no.

If anything demonstrates his "Fev first" attitude, this has to be it.

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 Post subject: Re: Bring back FEV !
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Im honestly split 50/50 on this. I love Fev, always will, and wish i could see him in the navy blue destroying the scum and the filth on his lonesome!

But at what expense?

What effect would it have on the playing group?

How long would it be good Fev for?

Would he take his chance with both hands and not fluff it?

Or would he become complacement after a few games in the seniors?

Minimum wage, on the rookie list, a watertight 1 year contract with behavioural clauses, must earn his spot in the magoos, any dummy spits on-field and will be dragged and subbed, and subsequently dropped. This list can go on forever.

Might pay off and we win a flag with the Judd still in full flight or might blow up in our face and then what? What do we lose exactly?

Membership?

Sponsors?

If we rookied Fev we would have 50,000+ members signed up before the season proper.

Fairytale?

Who knows?

Do we want him back?

Some yes some no some maybe.

One things for damn certain, a fit and firing Brendan Fevola will bring Carlton its first flag in 17 years and it will be our 17th!........

IN 2012!!!!

Repercussions, maybe.

Success, maybe.

Still 50/50 though.

Good luck Brendan.

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 Post subject: Re: Bring back FEV !
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Sure.

And yet amazingly, we get more goals from our forwards now than we did when Fev was The Man in our F50.

Personally, I couldn't care less about his off-field indiscretions. I reckon there would be 50 guys currently playing AFL of far more dubious character today. But his work on the field was all about Fev-first, team second.

Fun to watch, exciting cameos, great entertainment, and shit team football. You reckon that you can just slot Fevola into our setup and it'd be like magically adding the missing ingredient? The team would function well as a unit, but with the added bonus of 60 extra goals and a whole heap of opportunities for the crumbers?

Fevola has always played as an individual. He's Mark Jackson, Warrick Capper. "You've got front row tickets to the Fev show" he once told an opponent.

That pretty much sums him up, and that's why he's playing in the VFL. He's every modern coach's nightmare. Because the days of the hero individualistic FF are gone.

Remember those times we stood and applauded when he actually applied genuine pressure when the opposition had the ball? We applauded because they were so rare. He played the team game when he could be bothered. But never as a matter of course.

That kind of attitude doesn't win you premierships. not now.


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JohnM, the time he applied genuine pressure and chasing was the same game, late in the last quarter against the Hawks when he was stuck on 99 goals. We were over 10 goals down and not going to win. Is it any coincidence that when there was personal glory on the line, he chases his guts out, especially considering the game was long over? Do people seriously think he'd have done it if he'd gone nowhere near 100 goals for the year, OR, if he'd already kicked the ton earlier in the game? Hell no.

If anything demonstrates his "Fev first" attitude, this has to be it.


Fev always had more tackles per game than Brown and Reiwoldt. It was a myth that he didn't chase.

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JohnM, the time he applied genuine pressure and chasing was the same game, late in the last quarter against the Hawks when he was stuck on 99 goals. We were over 10 goals down and not going to win. Is it any coincidence that when there was personal glory on the line, he chases his guts out, especially considering the game was long over? Do people seriously think he'd have done it if he'd gone nowhere near 100 goals for the year, OR, if he'd already kicked the ton earlier in the game? Hell no.

If anything demonstrates his "Fev first" attitude, this has to be it.


Fev always had more tackles per game than Brown and Reiwoldt. It was a myth that he didn't chase.


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No. The club has worked hard to build a team of guys with the right attitude, work ethic and discipline. He would be a step backwards.


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