Can't recall saying that but it's a cool way to deflect....

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Bower in the back line is not as delusional as Thornton as a forward...

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So it doesn't matter that he was playing with a broken finger?

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Pretty close to my lineup as well. Rusty receiving a corky today delays him for a fortnight now, so sub maybe? maybe not play?

I think Ellard is important, have him ahead of Brock and Curnow.

T-Bird deserves a spot after a great season. Between T-Bird and Henderson we have plenty of flexibility for the Eagles and Pies.

Not been watching much footy have you. What's Thornton done wrong at CHF? Performs each time.

thats my exact side as well which i mentioned on another thread

obvioulsy they would all have to be fit and ready to go but i would have waite,jamo,carazzo,russell and hampson in for warnock,hooops, meclean and armfield.

thats a solid 22 and the 5 displaced playes and bower,setanta,davies,curnow will be the squad of 30

i just cant see us blooding anymore new kids and guys like watson,austin,lucas,joseph,twomey may have to look to 2012 for another game.

when we're at full stength and u look at our list it does look like we have good depth. even from 5th we can have a really good assault

with jameson at FB and hendeson at CHB it gives the backilne a strong spine, laidler,duigan, yarran and whover else will all play much better as well. i reckon as we go deep into september it'll be our stong bacline winning us games, we'll still score well but we'll be much better at restricting the power forwards, waite and thornton will be the drifters up and down the ground .

WE ARE THE flower NAVY BLUES AND WE'RE GOING ALL THE WAY IN 2011.

My finals 22 is as follows:

Yarran Jamison Laidler
Duigan Henderson Scotland
Simpson Judd Waite
Garlett O'hAilpin Robinson
Kreuzer Walker Betts
Hampson Gibbs Murphy
Carrazzo Ellard Tuohy Armfield

This line-up is much taller but certainly no slower than the one we put on the field against Norf. It seems to me we need the extra height against the Pies and Eagles and probably the Cats, but our outside pace is the weapon we have to keep if we are to open up the top teams, so it is a delicate balancing act.

Tough call on Thornton who has been excellent this year but I don't think there is room for him back and I prefer Setanta's size at CHF. I think we are better with 2 of Curnow Ellard and McLean in the team, but McLean is simply too slow and Curnow has dropped off form. Both have a claim to the Ellard spot and it will come down to form. Hampson in for Warnock assumes he can return to decent form, if not we need to stick with Warnock who's not too bad if he could get some angry pills and return to his goal-kicking of last year. Not a fan of the idea of going with just one ruck with Setanta as back-up, but that is also an option that might appeal to some. A big fan of Armfield and Tuohy should be persevered with. Have left Russell out as he has laboured all year, but if he strikes 2010 form or anywhere near it he would be a monty to come in.

Previously I have called for Waite to go to CHB but with Hendo's emergence there we can afford to have Waite as the tall mid who can go back or forward as might be required. I know Ratts loves him as a forward, and if that is the way he is used we could push any of Robbo (desperation and hardness), Walks (body size, pace and endurance) Carlos (size, pace and endurance) Kreuzer (size, skill, and one percenters) Garlett (pace and disposal) or even Betts (pace and ball-winning ability) into the midfield, all bringing a different dynamic that would be hard to match up on.

Realistically of course there will be fitness/form/match practice issues that will narrow the field.

My finals team assuming everyone fit and available:

B: Thornton, Jamo, Laidler
HB: Yazz, Hendo, Duigan
C: Scotland, Gibbs, Simmo
HF: Robbo, Waite, Garlett
F: Walker, Kreuzer, Betts
R: Warnock, Murph, Judd
I/C: Carrots, Ellard, Armfield, (Russell)

Changes from team against North: In: Jamo, Waite, Carrots, Russell
Out: McLean, Touhy, Davies, Houla
Russell has had an ordinary year but will be a great sub option and Carrots can do the job on a big name mid. Jamo and Waite speak for themselves. I'd keep Army in cos I love his run and his efforts and they will be handy come finals. Can snare a goal too...

Surprise packets: Thornton - I hated him at the start of the year but he's actually had a solid year and there are no other backmen that would replace him, and don't say Bower cos he's a broke down muel! Hendo down back also a surprise packet and will be handy come finals!

Unlucky: Curnow - Solid start but just hasn't come good since injury and I know there are Ellard doubters out there but i reckon Ellard is solid and in front of Curnow. Hammer - I'm not a huge fan of hammer but he did have some reasonable games (and I'm also not a huge fan of Warnock either). I reckon Warnock is a better Ruck so going with him, plus Hammer has been out for a long time and with his history I very much doubt he can come back and take AFL by storm come finals!! Houla - 200 gamer. Exquisite skills but the game is too quick for him...

Good team.
Similar to mine only i left out T bird for more run. Sub for t bird could be a smart move. Think your backline needs one more attacking player. Thornton to sub and Gibbs or Scotland to the backline and Russ into the mid/flank/wing rotations.

Agree TBird has been a warrior this year.

I'd love to know your definition of "performs each time"

When used as a pinch hitter as a forward he's done well in the past.

As a regular forward he seems lost most of the time... ok as a gap filler but you can't take that into finals ffs

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IMHO that's wrong. Thornton>>>>>>>>Bower right now. Thornton can play forward and back and is a better kick and decision maker than Bower. Can also take a better contested mark ATM than Bower.

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My comment was in regards to positioning rather than comparing the two players.

Thornton has done well enough this year to keep his position into the finals but as a defender, with Waite playing CHF.

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