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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 1:53 pm 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
great interview!!!
most interesting thing he said was..the midfield group appraised him,and the feedback was given by Gibbs and Murphy.
What they like..don't like..what could be better..what is crap etc.
Ratts said everybody gets appraised, and everyone can do better.
That is how they will grow and challenge themselves as a group.
They told him another time that he was too tense before big rival games, and he changed his behaviour.
He was happy with the defence group.
especially Duigan, who he had personally challenged after Collingwood.
He loved White's game..and Jammo.
He brought the sub on late because Warnock had an injury worry, and they weren't sure what would happen there..also..no too early so they could keep the advantage with 3 rotating on bench.
Praised Essendon*'s grit and determination.

Had the feeling they have bonded well as a group and coach.

ps. Jimmae...other teams are only putting their tough players right in the mid...and using players like our Murph/Gibbs to spread wide and go.
I heard Dermie addressing this last week.
it is being talked about a fair bit, and you'd reckon we will pick it up pretty soon???



Makes sense and explains why hampson was used in most of the centre bounces in the 4th. Seems the coaches have more information than some know it alls on talkback and this site.


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My points are all valid, without those player errors we would have won, carry on though

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:57 pm 
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Just give us the Cup........!


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 3:43 pm 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
great interview!!!
most interesting thing he said was..the midfield group appraised him,and the feedback was given by Gibbs and Murphy.
What they like..don't like..what could be better..what is crap etc.
Ratts said everybody gets appraised, and everyone can do better.
That is how they will grow and challenge themselves as a group.
They told him another time that he was too tense before big rival games, and he changed his behaviour.He was happy with the defence group.
especially Duigan, who he had personally challenged after Collingwood.
He loved White's game..and Jammo.
He brought the sub on late because Warnock had an injury worry, and they weren't sure what would happen there..also..no too early so they could keep the advantage with 3 rotating on bench.
Praised Essendon*'s grit and determination.

Had the feeling they have bonded well as a group and coach.

ps. Jimmae...other teams are only putting their tough players right in the mid...and using players like our Murph/Gibbs to spread wide and go.
I heard Dermie addressing this last week.
it is being talked about a fair bit, and you'd reckon we will pick it up pretty soon???


Yet we have posters here during the week saying he needs to fire up more during the week before games against traditional rivals.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 4:47 pm 
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A question was put to Ratts via a caller, whether Waite was playing to team instructions to kick back to Simmo.
The caller also mentioned that the Pies would've kicked long around the boundary to a contest and forced the ball out or at least move the ball towards their own goal...........both very valid points.

Judging by Ratts answer, i think that Waite was playing to team rules (to kick backwards, just not as far as he did).

This is a bloody disgrace if our players are coached in this fashion. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Perhaps T-BIRD has been playing to instructions all these years........poor bastard!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:05 pm 
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I haven't heard the interview, but posters earlier quoted him as saying they practice this at training. That doesn't mean he wanted the game slowed right down to this extent however.

He probably did, but that's not to be gleaned from his comment.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:06 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
I wish people would realize its not winning/losing/drawing. I expected to win yesterday but even if we had have won from what i saw I would have not walked away happy (except for beating Essendon*). The reason is because I think we should be top 6 at least - but that means we have to start playing 4 quarters of ruthless/balanced football. We never seem to get it all right. The defense was much better this week. The attack was woeful for the same reasons (I think) as last week and against Richmond. Wrong selections.

For me this year is about how we can become better. If we don't Ratts will be sacked. I'd actually rather he made it cos I loved Ratts as a player. I'd love to seem him hold the cup aloft.
He must make improvements in this team and I think that means his selections must improve. His and the whole selection committee. For his sake, he must. Carlton will be around next year and, if Essendon* is anything to go by, a change in coach will not set us back any time at all. But I'd like Ratts to make it. So he must bite the bullet:

I think Hampson is not working - but I see that with Cas out perhaps we have no other alternatives - still if it ain't working don't keep it the same and do it harder - change it.
Maybe Waite can relieve Warnock for a few minutes each quarter, Maybe Hendo, Maybe Bower - I do not know I just know Hampson is not working.

Betts has struggled. How many weeks do we allow him to struggle? Why not try someone else? Must we have some players who play regardless of form? Is that smart? And for how long?

Is Carrots instructed not to run past? Can you have that instruction? Must we accept his kicking or is it time to bite the bullet? Do we wait a year or two?

Are we an in and under player short? Ellard?

A runner short - Armfield?

Not worried about Hendo - first game back but 2 of those in a row and surely he'd have to get dropped to get his fitness/touch back.

Was really pleased with White so can Watson play as a marking target? Can White? He seemed to make a difference when he went forward for a time yesterday (if he did go forward, I thought he did but it may have been the sun in my eyes :smoking: ) .

Who else can we try?

I want to see improvement. I expect it this year. We all do. But I am seeing the same tendency of this club to just keep going on the same way.

I hope the axe falls on 3/4 players - I hope those players then go back and show they have the right stuff

I just am sick of a forward line out of whack.

I think this list is so close it ain't funny but we must still get everything right. Are we doing that? Are those injuries just hurting us too much?



Don't always agree with you DB but you are spot on. I'd love to see Ratts hold the cup aloft but my head says he won't. We all want to see significant improvement.

If Essenson can improve so much from last year, then surely if we improve by half of that, we will go close this year. I have seen no improvement since those two great games middle of last year.

Ratten has had 4 preseasons to work on our forward structures. He wasted the first 2 pre-seasons just relying on Fev to get us over the line.

People can say what they like about Thornton but I believe he has a future at Carlton as the second tall floating. Good mark, good kick and has more footy smarts than people give him credit for.

Gibbs is still my worry. Saw the replay this arvo and he does not influence the game in any way, shape or form. Is slow, collects cheap stats and doesn't take the game on

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:09 pm 
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Look at the replay and watch Waite. He goes back to take his kick, glances slightly to the boundary as if he's heard something then immediately turns around and sees Simmo. As the camera pans for the kick back to Simmo you do briefly see someone with a blue top and long pants just in the corner of the screen. I really hope to God it wasn't Ratts telling him to kick it backwards. When I saw Waite do that I thought there must only be 30 secs on the clock.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:12 pm 
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kingkerna wrote:
My points are all valid, without those player errors we would have won, carry on though



If we'd made less errors in the 93 and 86 grandfinal, we would have 18 premierships.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:33 pm 
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HELLAS BLUE wrote:
Look at the replay and watch Waite. He goes back to take his kick, glances slightly to the boundary as if he's heard something then immediately turns around and sees Simmo. As the camera pans for the kick back to Simmo you do briefly see someone with a blue top and long pants just in the corner of the screen. I really hope to God it wasn't Ratts telling him to kick it backwards. When I saw Waite do that I thought there must only be 30 secs on the clock.


Just slowed it up on the IQ and watched it and I have no idea what on earth you are on about.

He doesn't glance at the boundary at all, in fact his only glance is behind and slightly to his right which is the opposite direction of the boundary and he immediately kicks it to Simpson.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:51 pm 
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You couldn't blame Ratts for his coaching during the game because he doesn't do any. he sits on the bench keenly observing the play within 30 metres and having no real idea of what is going on at either end or the opposite side. has anyone watched a game from the front row? You have no real idea of what is happening, you certainly get no overview or real insight into the opposition. Who is coaching in the coaches box, and why the hell doesn't Ratten sit up there? He can talk to players on the phone if need be, and maybe from the coaches box he will have something constructive to say as he will have clearly seen what the player is or isn't doing.

And as others have said the coach has responsibility for improving players skills and decision making and if they are still falling down in the 4th year then the player hasn't got the skill to play or the coach is not getting the absolute best out of the player.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:56 pm 
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Weren't people wanting Ratts to coach from the boundary last year and criticising him being to slow to do so?

TruBlueBrad wrote:
bluegirl72 wrote:
great interview!!!
most interesting thing he said was..the midfield group appraised him,and the feedback was given by Gibbs and Murphy.
What they like..don't like..what could be better..what is crap etc.
Ratts said everybody gets appraised, and everyone can do better.
That is how they will grow and challenge themselves as a group.
They told him another time that he was too tense before big rival games, and he changed his behaviour.He was happy with the defence group.
especially Duigan, who he had personally challenged after Collingwood.
He loved White's game..and Jammo.
He brought the sub on late because Warnock had an injury worry, and they weren't sure what would happen there..also..no too early so they could keep the advantage with 3 rotating on bench.
Praised Essendon*'s grit and determination.

Had the feeling they have bonded well as a group and coach.

ps. Jimmae...other teams are only putting their tough players right in the mid...and using players like our Murph/Gibbs to spread wide and go.
I heard Dermie addressing this last week.
it is being talked about a fair bit, and you'd reckon we will pick it up pretty soon???


Yet we have posters here during the week saying he needs to fire up more during the week before games against traditional rivals.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 7:03 pm 
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HELLAS BLUE wrote:
Look at the replay and watch Waite. He goes back to take his kick, glances slightly to the boundary as if he's heard something then immediately turns around and sees Simmo. As the camera pans for the kick back to Simmo you do briefly see someone with a blue top and long pants just in the corner of the screen. I really hope to God it wasn't Ratts telling him to kick it backwards. When I saw Waite do that I thought there must only be 30 secs on the clock.


Just slowed it up on the IQ and watched it and I have no idea what on earth you are on about.

He doesn't glance at the boundary at all, in fact his only glance is behind and slightly to his right which is the opposite direction of the boundary and he immediately kicks it to Simpson.

Did u look in the grassy knoll?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:27 pm 
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kingkerna wrote:
After all the teeth gnashing and great fury from the less intelligent posters on here some things need to be considered. The following events happened yesterday that influenced the result, none of which were ratt's fault
Collins making numerous errors, ok we picked him but thats the extent of the selectors fault.
Simpson's on the full - simple skill error that cost us
Garlett playing on, we wouldn't be discussing this if he had have settled after marking
JR stepping over the line kicking in
Laidler (I think) stepping out of bounds while kicking
Hampson and Henderson underperforming, despite numerous opportunities they didn't step up
Inaccurate kicking early.

The only thing you can really complain about is using the sub so late, despite how badly we played we still didn't lose.


I appreciate the work put into your post "Kingkerna" but as mentioned by previous posters your ideas are flawed. When looking at the big picture, Ratten made big mistakes yesterday and days previous when selecting the side. Having Collins and Hendeson included in the side lost us the game.... plain and simple. If our forward line had only been functioning at 50% the blues would have won. If you look at the stats our forwards "Waite not included" performed at the lowest for 2 seasons. This was a selection error and it all comes back to the "senior" coach who in the end makes the final call.... just like in any business the most senior person is responsible.

Kingkerna... we cant look at small errors made during the game, like kicking outer bounds or playing on like Garlett these are just part of the game....


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It is several small errors that can be the difference between defeat and victory, whilst the coach is ultimately responsible the players also have to be accountable.
And it's OUT OF BOUNDS, flawed typing perhaps?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:06 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
kingkerna wrote:
My points are all valid, without those player errors we would have won, carry on though



If we'd made less errors in the 93 and 86 grandfinal, we would have 18 premierships.


That would a million less errors compared to just one given the pumping we got in those GF's.


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kingkerna wrote:
My points are all valid, without those player errors we would have won, carry on though



If we'd made less errors in the 93 and 86 grandfinal, we would have 18 premierships.


That would a million less errors compared to just one given the pumping we got in those GF's.

If we sacked the coaches after those defeats we may have never won 87 and 95, talk about flawed logic ......

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 11:24 pm 
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Just seems odd to me the Mitch Robinson (The Super Pest) gave Fletcher a bath last year and this year, Not one Negating forwards has been used. In a team with Walker, Carazzo and Robo, surely one of them could have been used to blanket the run from Fletcher.

Shape up Ratten - Plenty are in line for your job - Malthouse, Roos, Lyon to name just 3.


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Nick wrote:
HELLAS BLUE wrote:
Look at the replay and watch Waite. He goes back to take his kick, glances slightly to the boundary as if he's heard something then immediately turns around and sees Simmo. As the camera pans for the kick back to Simmo you do briefly see someone with a blue top and long pants just in the corner of the screen. I really hope to God it wasn't Ratts telling him to kick it backwards. When I saw Waite do that I thought there must only be 30 secs on the clock.


Just slowed it up on the IQ and watched it and I have no idea what on earth you are on about.

He doesn't glance at the boundary at all, in fact his only glance is behind and slightly to his right which is the opposite direction of the boundary and he immediately kicks it to Simpson.


Really? Take another look I just did. BEFORE the close up of Waite when the camera is on the long view you clearly see him look briefly to his left just after he goes back to take his kick. It's there clear as day and looks like his attention is definitely grabbed by someone or something on the boundary. Likewise you can clearly see the figure on the bottom left hand of the screen in blue. Not saying it definitely happened but there's a strong possibility that someone on the bench has directed Waite to kick backwards. Either way, it's over now.

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