I am starting to worry about this appointment, was reminder by many hawks supporters that this was a bad move and that he has no idea as a forward coach, it is now starting to come into fruition we look worse .

Also if we are going to play the bomb it long into the 50 option because we have lazy forwards who dont lead or midfielders who dont lower their eyes when in possession, then at least place the ball 10-15 metres away from the goal line instead of putting it 5 metres away and give our smalls a chance to crumb.

Hooker reached his career average possessions early in the 2nd 1/4 against us as the ball was kicked straight to him, repeatedly.
Same thing happens every week in our forward 50, we look like we're deliberately kicking to the opposition defenders.

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Our forwards don't lead.

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Got it in one.

The best structures and strategies money can buy make no difference when you've got dumb, lazy forwards who don't bother to present. A big problem in our game for years.

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Yep, except Walker, and Waite late in the game. I know he wasn't great last week, but Walker in the team creates a much better balance. It was the wrong decision to sub him off last week, and it was the wrong decision to not start him on the field this week.
Simpson went forward for a bit and was good too.
It didn't help that Hendo and Hampson both had shockers.

We always look so much better with a BIG fwd target around the square who can take a grab, i.e. Warnock. Hammer, Carlos don't cut it, though at least the latter gives a good contest.

I reckon things will start falling into place when we have Kreuzer and Warnock doing this for us. Add a match hardened Hendo and the goal sense of Houla, things may be better than what we think. Kerr for Betts also has me very interested.

We also have a "dumb" fwd line with the likes of Tex and Waite inside 50 - Kreuzer, Kerr, Warnock and Houla inside 50 will make us a far smarter and productive fwd line, too.

On the flip side BV, How much of it is forward not expecting their leads to be honoured unless they're leading into the space directly in front of the ball carrier?

The mids keep bombing it in too regularly, and the forward lose confidence that they'll be rewarded, or even looked at. They lead just fine up the field and don't avoid contact, skimp past zones or anything of that nature.

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Last year we kicked 9 and 10 goals in the 4th quarter of consecutive games by having Hampson or Warnock resting in the square. Worked a treat.

That's possibly why we bomb it long now, even though neither Hampson or Warnock spent much time in the square.

Setanta did OK there as well. He'll be an option when fit and firring and may well be the perfect sub.

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We kick more goals in general play than in set-shots I'd say. It frustrates the hell out of me also to see Betts leading up as a forward and and getting spoilt by his opponent causing a turnover. The midfielders need to be smarter and recognise that his role shouldn't be to lead up to the ball - that should be left to the taller players or more sizable forwards of ours. I've got no problems with Betts leading up to draw a defender or two, but as a target across half forward like I've seen, it kills us. Teams like to set up their play from half-back and away they go once the spoil happens. Betts and Garlett should be sitting front and square waiting for the crumbs when one of our bigger bodies splits a pack open.

We need Kreuzer back in the team, and I'd say he will be played forward a bit. I suspect if Hampson doesn't lift (he has the right attitude but the skills aren't up to standard) then he'll be sent back to the Bullants once Kreuz comes back in.

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A perfect example came last week against the filth.

Matt Watson, a guy who can kick 60m onto a penny, has the ball at pure CHB. In front of him is an open space all the way up to pure CHF. One kick would put us deep into attack.

Common sense says, run into that space and give this kid something to kick to.

Our idiot players say, sit on the flanks and wings and just @#$%&! stand there.

Dumb, dumb players.

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I aggree that we don't give our forwards instructions to lead.

The 2nd qtr vs the Pies was perfect example.

We spent so much time with all our players in their f50 that when we did get a turn over, we had nobody to kick too.

Other times, we just bomb it in there and have Hampson, Waite and even warnock all go for a pack mark - Sometimes AT THE SAME TIME and end up spoiling each other. Good God.

Henderson could be a great leading forward but i see two problems with him at the moment.

1) he doesn't have space to lead into.

2) He's not instructed too lead.

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Love him or hate him,,,,,Fev owned our forward 50.

If you got in his way, he would tell you about it, just ask Setanta !!!!!

We need a leader for our forward 50, someone to take it by the scruff and say this is my area,,,,,,Betts and Garlett stay at my feet,,,,,,,

the rest of yas.....get the @#$%&! outta here and give me space to lead !!!!!

It just seems that ever since Fev has gone, everyone wants to be the one to kick the bag of goals, thus the reason we seem to be contesting
marks against one another.

so who do we look up to, to be our forward 50 leader ?

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have you forgotten how opposition defenders camped in front of Fev and had multiple spoilers in the contest and ran the ball out with ease ?

we need to have a properly functioning forward line where the occupants offer a properly structured variety of options for our forward 50 entries

Our big forwards need to lead and jump and our little forwards need to stay on the ground and crumb the packs...

At the moment, they either do the opposite or try to REPEATEDLY take mark of the year.

There was a post commenting on Henderson crashing a pack which bowled Lil' Jeffy over...

Question - what was Lil' Jeffy doing in the pack instead of crumbing?

We also saw our forward structure so loose that Lil' Jeffy found himself taking on three defenders solo (same against Collingwood). I am not in any way questioning his effort or endevour - just the support and structure around him.

Big question - what are our coaches doing to make this clearer to the players?

We still have passengers in our team and they are still camping comfortably in our forward line...Lil' Jeffy excepted!!

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He led for the ball and had it kicked over his head. Still would've marked it had Henderson screened for him.

Henderson took the default option and can't be blamed that much, but he had a better option to take (and he normally does).

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I agree...I was commenting on players swapping roles.

If Henderson was fitter, it would have set a different scene completely too.

However, for instance, Eddie needs to stay on the ground knowing that the bigger players will spoil down to him. There are times where he is going up whilst the bigger bodies are standing there.

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just been going through some team stats of all the teams in league and there is one very alarming fact.

we have the lowest amount of players who average 1 goal or more per game!!

in fact we have 3. betts garlett and waite, and by all accounts betts is pretty close to being dropped, that may leave 2

every other club has at least 3 (think about 3 or 4 other low sides), while all the other top sides have 5+

while i know its 'just another stat', its a pretty scary one.

hendos is the most scary, he's only kicked 28 goals from 35 games, and it seems all our 'fwd' eggs are in this one hendo basket.

while im sure hendo will develop well in next 2-3 yrs

this is still a massive worry for mine.

does anyone know what kind of contract Jack Reiwoldt is on, or more importantly when it's up?

i would so hate to see us waste the judd opportunity while waiting the 3 possibly 4yrs it may take for hendo to develop?

interesting to see josh kennedy just starting to come to the fore bout now for the eagles, reckon thats about how long we'll have to wait for hendo

Henderson played 10 games as a defender at Brisbane.

This is the problem with our supporters...they don't do their research.

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What about giving Watson a chance up forward.

Switch Hendo down back.

Watto only needs to mark it 50 mtrs out, and he'll drill it.

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