Hampson is not, and never will be, a productive forward option.

I'd be very surprised if they both don't entertain offers of leaving, they'll be fighting for the number 1 ruck for the bullants next year.

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I would be happy to trade both for the right picks or players we need. Four ruck man on the list is overkill and I believe Warnock and Kruezer will be our best combination. What we then need to do is recruit another kid in the rookie draft and seriously consider drafting a matter age rookie ala Stephenson. We can also use Setanta or Casboult as back up really needed. Most sides now go with one key ruck man and a spare parts player anyway.

We need to keep improving our list and hard decisions need to be made. I like the Paul Roos mantra of never using early picks on ruck man because it is risky and they take so much time to develop. He has been able to get Mumford, Seaby, White, Pyke for bugger all and with early picks got Jetta, Hanneberry etc.

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so you wouldn't have taken Kruise?

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Never say never...but he has a bucket load of work to do and his improvement is not rapid.

I love Jacobs. I reckon he's your no fuss footballer who will give his all.

But, I'd be trading him to adelaide sadly.
They're ruck stocks are down with the news that Griffin has asked to be traded. Jacobs would without a doubt be their #1 ruckman and good luck to him I say.

Not sure what Adelaide would be prepared to send us in return though.

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I'd take Dangerfield and Chris Knights for Jacobs... plus their first draft pick.
I doubt we will go into next season with both Jacobs and Hampson. I think Jacobs is a good plodder. Question is whether he can turn into a Jolly or not?

I agree with Roos' approach UNLESS there's one out of the box, like Kruezer or Leuenberger. Whilst Fraser, Gardiner and White didn't fully deliver on expectation, I reckon recruiting teams are a lot more thorough these days.

For this week, I think the MC should decide who they are likely to stick with next year, & put him in the team to get finals experience.
Same goes for Yarran & Walker. Unless we are looking to trade Walker, I'd put him in the team this week. Yarran may be vulnerable on form but, again, if its at the margins, put him in to gain experience in finals.
Davies is a different case only b/c he's so young/inexperienced and we might need Thornton in to stabilise the rest of the team. Also, I think there is a bigger gap at the moment b/w Davies & Thornton than there is b/w Yarran/Walker and whoever their competition for a spot is.

Back to thread topic: Jacobs to whoever will give us the best deal. Player or pick.

imo, jacobs is our best tap ruckman (and by a significant margin) - to the match committee though he is clearly number 4 on the pecking order due to his perceived lack of potential (compared to the more athletic rucks).

Given the amount of times that jacobs is dropped from the team despite performing ok, I cant see him staying.

Will be shame though as he has improved substantially each year and at 22 still had several years of development to go yet. His mobility is not as bad as many make out and this year he has started to demonstrate the ability to take overhead marks more consistently (something hampson is yet to do).

In an ideal world, I'd probably look at having a jacobs/warnock ruck combo with hampson as permanent FF/FP (ie tippet) and kreuzer as a full time inside mid/ruck rover. Dont think we lose much mobility compared to hadley/mclean options, has the bulk and shown the willingness to get his hands dirty.

at same age
Jacobs - averaging 11 disposals, 3 marks, 20.2 hitouts over 12 games
jolly - averaged 7 dispoals, 2.5 marks, 13.7 hitouts

no reason why he cant match jolly into the future.

Good stats, as usual 4th. Thanks for that.
I agree with you..."no reason why he cant match jolly into the future"

I'd go further and suggest he'll exceed Jolly.

If Jacobs is our 4th string ruckman, well then our other 3 must be elite.
They are, and they are mobile.
Mobility on that level isn't necessary to make Jacobs a great ruckman. Already he's very good.

Not many teams in the AFL that wouldn't play Jacobs in their first 22.
Brad Scott said tonight on The Insider that "there's definetely a place for big plodders who ruck".
And I wouldn't consider a plodder these days, just against our other 3 he looks slow;
and the others are very fast for their size (Warnock included).

I'm spewin that Kreuzer isn't around to lead us into this year's finals series.

If I had my way I'd have the 4 of them playing in my first 22 and rotating off the bench.
CHB: Hampson
RUCK: Warnock Jacobs
CHF: Kreuzer

I definetely would have at least 3 of them in my first 22.

Good thread. In the end it's out of Jacobs and Hampson.
I pick Jacobs this week.
I don't feel like taking risks this weekend and Hammer's game against Sandilands must've knocked him a round a bit.
Hampson's my boy; his athletic and physical powess in unmatched...ever.
I wouldn't trade Hampson for Pavlich...unless we were 1 Pavlich short to win a Flag.

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I believe that one of them will go... however I would like all four to stay, so that we have the option of having Hampson up forward, with time I can see him being very successful along with Hendo and Waite in our forward line.
Warnocks long kick and overhead mark are awesome and he would also be an option up forward.
Then if one of them gets injured, just like Kruez did we have nothing to worry about

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Perhaps that policy was a failure.

Geelong grabbed Ottens for two or three picks in the top top 20 or 30.

After all, Roos gave up first round picks for Jolly and Ball to fill a hole on their list to win a flag.

Plus pick 33 for Everitt.

If Carlton had traded pick 22 for the 26 year old Mark Seaby, Talking Players would melted down and been locked for the second time.

Sydney were rumoured to be interested in trading picks 6 (Rohan) and 14 (Jetta) for pick three (Dustin Martin.)

Interesting idea.

I'd rather have Hampson than a first round pick in a compromised draft.

Three mobile big men is a luxury that will become a strength for Carlton.

Brisbane's fab four midfield dined out on McDonald, Charman, Keating and Mclaren smashing the ball down their throats week in, week out. Once they were forced to rely on one ruckman and Mclaren who was a pinch hitter, they lost to the Brogan and Lade led Port Adelaide in their last Grand Final.

Three rucks is a must have to win a flag.

Has Kreuzer's knee healed yet?

Unless we get an above the odds offer which is unlikely, the contracted Hampson isn't going anywhere.

The club reportedly knocked back Port's offer of pick nine for Hampson last year.

After this year, I'd prefer Hampson to the mids and flankers that were on offer in the last draft.

And that includes Lucas.

If they had offered us pick eight to draft Butcher, we may have done a deal with Port and twisted Hampson's arm.

You let the likes of a Mclaren, Brooks, Ackland and French go, not a Lade, Brogan, Primus, McDonald, Keating, McIntosh or Charman who can be your number one ruck.

They're better around the ground than a Jacobs.

I suspect Hale will leave North, so we might have competition for the Jacobs trade.

Fremantle won't win a flag if they think Johnson and Bradley can back up Sandilands.

Won't happen unless Zac Clarke steps up to the level of Kreuzer, Leuenberger, Naitanui, Ryder, Hampson, Goldstein, Warnock or Mumford who are modern day followers. Kreuzer v Johnson would have been a different story if we could have had that match up in the last round. Hampson hasn't had a pre-season, so an endurance athlete such as Kreuzer would have done more around the ground.

Jacobs' lack of mobility would have been exposed by Johnson.

Even Bradley can move better than Sauce.

Hampson for mine.

I think many are missing the point that why would they want to stay when they're 3rd and 4th on the pecking list? How is Hammer going to turn into this beast CHF/ruckman when he's playing most of his games for the bullants? Why would sauce want to stay when he gets dropped not for form but to give the project player a go? I'd love to keep all of them but they're not going to realize their potential with Carlton.

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Me too, a lot of people are constantly worried about what we'd lose and not what we'd gain. It just strikes me as 'fraidy cat' conservatism. I'd bet you a good 75%, at least, of people involved with sport at the highest level would tell you that you'd never get anywhere if you don't take risks. In fact, we have to be prepared to get it wrong every now and then. It does not mean that the entire ethos failed if we ‘let one get away’. You have to make calls sometimes because if you wait, then it can become too late to do anything with it. In this case, it just means that we might look at a ruckman or giant utility or two, late.

Everybody talks about our needs and weaknesses in particular areas as if the concept of approximating each ‘position’ is somehow cosmically significant and more important than overall man-power and match-winning ability. I look at our ‘weaknesses’ and can’t help thinking that we may be too busy with a kind of rudimentary ‘spot filling’ type mentality to actually attempt to get a good influx of talent on a yearly basis.

Yes, the ‘needs’ are there but it invariably means that we put the blinkers on and these blinkers also add a kind of blurred, short-sightedness to the lack of peripheral vision. It’s far too much of a price to pay for all the focus.

Sorry for the tangent but when all is said and done, I think we should be prepared to trade some of our own if it can mean getting something better.

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Good luck Sauce.

As with JK, I think most of us here will follow his progress closely and wish him all the best.

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On the Roos mantra...

We had a rather vigorous debate on here before the Kreuzer draft, as to whether we should have taken Kreuzer or Cotchin with pick 1. One of my concerns over Kreuzer was that if you look back over the last 20 years, it's hard to find a ruckman that has DOMINATED the competition for more than 4 years. Gardiner, Primus and now Cox all had a stint as standout ruckmen, but none for more than 4 years. Everett is probablythe exception. It will be interested to see how Sandilands goes over the next 5 years.

From a number 1 pick, you want 200+ games, 10+ years of high quality football. THere's not many ruckmen around who can give you that. Hopefully Krezuer is the exception, although he may yet end up a key position player.

I think we should trade a ruckman, but if we do, we must draft a ruckman to develop. Where you draft him depends on how good they available rucks are. But I think we should be looking to developing and offloading ruckmen regularly, both for ensuring our ruck stocks are strong, and for the over the odds value you get for them in a trade.

GC this year and GWS next year will both need ruckmen that are AFL ready.

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Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

agree - had similar concerns back then and was of the opinion that if cotchin/kreuzer were of similar ability then I'd go for the mid rather than the ruckman. More than happy with kreuzer as a pick up though - just as I'd have been more than happy had we picked up cotchin instead.

Out of curiousity, what do people think kreuzer might be worth on the trade table?

Anyone care to rethink after today's game?

Jacobs is a natural footballer, with a footballer's brain. His ruckwork is excellent, and will get better. He gets involved around the ground. And he mostly makes good decisions. And he's only played a dozen games.

Hampson is a project player, from a soccer background. How many Premiership teams have project players in them, players from non-football backgrounds? We have on our list Hampson, O'hAilpin and Armfield. Armfield will be a very good player, his improvement this year has been terrific. IMHO, O'hAilpin won't make it. Hampson may or may not. Jacobs absolutely will, he has top line ruckman written all over him.

To trade a natural ruckman who will make it instead of a project ruckmen with potential x-factor who may or may not make it would be a mistake.

So,I reiterate, if we are going to trade one of them trade Hampson.

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Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

..i think we wait.. ..right now, with Krooz out of action.. ..leading Ruck would be Jacobs.. ..Knockers and Hammer or duke it out over 2nd string.. ..next year, not so sure Krooz will be doing too much ruck work after his knee so i don't think we should trade any of them for now..

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Is the question who would we least like to lose, or who are we most likely to gain a better a trade for?

Out of Jacobs and Hampson what are the teams that would trade?

Hawthorn?
Adelaide?
Melbourne?
Western Bulldogs?
Gold Coast?
Port Adelaide?

Are they the teams that would benefit from what would be perceived as a front line ruckman.

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