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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:17 pm 
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So no mention of Hampson or Bower in the article?

The Dees have plenty of talent but their key forward and ruck stocks are pretty thin. A lot comnes down to how good Jack Watts turns out to be.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 7:35 pm 
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Bainuzz wrote:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/carlt/story-e6frf9ox-1225875717655

Garbage article written by someone who doesn't know the Carlton list. But Melbourne are definitely showing signs as we could see yesterday, surprised to see they have more first round picks in their team than we do.


Did the Mclean trade seal our fate?

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 9:12 pm 
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Why concern yourselves with paper talk?
Surely what affects on field performance is more worth your time and attention.
Mike Sheahan's comments will have no effect whatever on the way Carlton selects recruits, is coached or how they play.
Carlton is the most feared and envied club in the comp and will continue to get minimal media support (did you watch the footyshow last week?)
Sticks: "We're Carlton ..." you know the rest!

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 11:02 pm 
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most of the other clubs were green long before Carlton was.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:35 am 
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graemep wrote:
Why concern yourselves with paper talk?
Surely what affects on field performance is more worth your time and attention.
Mike Sheahan's comments will have no effect whatever on the way Carlton selects recruits, is coached or how they play.
Carlton is the most feared and envied club in the comp and will continue to get minimal media support (did you watch the footyshow last week?)
Sticks: "We're Carlton ..." you know the rest!



WOW! Fantastic, who gives a crap whay "The Commissioner" says.

Just point out in 2015 what a foolish statement he made.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:57 am 
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HELLAS BLUE wrote:
Bainuzz wrote:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/carlt/story-e6frf9ox-1225875717655

Garbage article written by someone who doesn't know the Carlton list. But Melbourne are definitely showing signs as we could see yesterday, surprised to see they have more first round picks in their team than we do.


Did the Mclean trade seal our fate?

Did Lucas and Yarran play?

Are you covering for that other Hellenic entity Synbad?

I loved your post on Kennedy being a hack before we traded him for Judd and he became a star overnight.

At least you're consistent with a comment that signing Judd would be a waste if we don't win a flag.

We have depth, yet that's a bad thing.

We won when we were riding the clutch, yet Melbourne are the real winners because they might have a better midfield three years from now. :confused: :screwy:

Damn the four points to hell!

Hampson and Mclean should have been sacrificed to the God of rebuilding to get us more first round draft picks. :banghead: :mad:


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 7:11 am 
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Kouta wrote:
HELLAS BLUE wrote:
Bainuzz wrote:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/carlt/story-e6frf9ox-1225875717655

Garbage article written by someone who doesn't know the Carlton list. But Melbourne are definitely showing signs as we could see yesterday, surprised to see they have more first round picks in their team than we do.


Did the Mclean trade seal our fate?

Did Lucas and Yarran play?

Are you covering for that other Hellenic entity Synbad?

I loved your post on Kennedy being a hack before we traded him for Judd and he became a star overnight.

At least you're consistent with a comment that signing Judd would be a waste if we don't win a flag.

We have depth, yet that's a bad thing.

We won when we were riding the clutch, yet Melbourne are the real winners because they might have a better midfield three years from now. :confused: :screwy:

Damn the four points to hell!

Hampson and Mclean should have been sacrificed to the God of rebuilding to get us more first round draft picks. :banghead: :mad:


Making sense isn't your strong point is it? How does that saying go? Think. Then post. :donk:

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 7:39 am 
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I only read Sheahans articles if I am on LSD


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 9:09 am 
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Too bad the Dees didnt get Raph Clarke. They would be unstoppable.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 9:38 am 
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What key fwds do they have? Watts, and the indegenous lad.

We have Waite/Setanta 27, Hendo and maybe Kruez young.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 9:44 am 
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We have 13 players who came from top 20 in the Draft. And 9 in the 9.

Not inc Wiggles.

How many do they have?

Of course that is not the only barometer of success.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 9:45 am 
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The game changes so quickly these days who knows what is going to be required in 3 years time. Who would have thought that Andrew Walker would be a key defender?
I reckon he is the best going around right at the moment but Mike reckons we need to develop another one. We have Austin, Bower, Jamison, Walker and White all 24 or under on our list at the moment. How many does he want us to have?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 9:56 am 
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woof wrote:
The game changes so quickly these days who knows what is going to be required in 3 years time. Who would have thought that Andrew Walker would be a key defender?
I reckon he is the best going around right at the moment but Mike reckons we need to develop another one. We have Austin, Bower, Jamison, Walker and White all 24 or under on our list at the moment. How many does he want us to have?


Just enough so he can skew his article to favour Melbourne.

Mike writes his article then does the analysis to support it...not the other way around.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:00 am 
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I agree with Sheehan. I think Trengove, Scully, Gysberts show more in their first season than Gibbs, Murphy, Kreuzer did in theirs. We can still improve our list in future drafts but my concern is our window is open for the next 4 years, while Judd is at his peak. Melbourne looks like they could contend within in 2 years and there Window is open for a decade. Anyway, this is all based on speculation and gut feeling but I think his article is more analytical than biased. I also remember Sheehan being pro Carlton in late 2007. I still think we are a key position player short at both ends and at least one A grade midfielder (to ease the pressure on Judd). Melbourne look only to be missing a key forward---if Watts develops, maybe 2 if he doesn't.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:07 am 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
I agree with Sheehan.


Time go give the prescription back, MJ.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:17 am 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
I agree with Sheehan. I think Trengove, Scully, Gysberts show more in their first season than Gibbs, Murphy, Kreuzer did in theirs. We can still improve our list in future drafts but my concern is our window is open for the next 4 years, while Judd is at his peak. Melbourne looks like they could contend within in 2 years and there Window is open for a decade. Anyway, this is all based on speculation and gut feeling but I think his article is more analytical than biased. I also remember Sheehan being pro Carlton in late 2007. I still think we are a key position player short at both ends and at least one A grade midfielder (to ease the pressure on Judd). Melbourne look only to be missing a key forward---if Watts develops, maybe 2 if he doesn't.


I didn't mind the article, but MS was short on his knowledge of the Carlton list. Judd will not necessarily be key to our premiership hopes as a player, but its the leadership and professional attitude that he brought to the club that has (and will) improve us. Carlton were rudderless before he arrived and we have suffered a football generation of failure. Kennedy and Palmer might have been great for us, but without leadership and direction we would have been lost. This might still be Melbourne's predicament - although they have not been down as long as we have, they have few leaders that will take them into the next phase. Green is ok, but might only see out 2-3 years. Bruce is nearing the end as is McDonald. Judd was a youthful veteran, who still might play another 6-7 years. By the time we win a flag, he might just be the support act, but its the intangibles he brought to the club which should make the difference.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:18 am 
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keogh wrote:
I only read Sheahans articles if I am on LSD


That's what you'd choose to do when tripping?

Without a doubt that is the stupidest thing you've said on here keogh.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:00 am 
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keogh wrote:
I only read Sheahans articles if I am on LSD


That's what you'd choose to do when tripping?

Without a doubt that is the stupidest thing you've said on here keogh.


..haha, but yer makin' the assumption that he has a choice in what he does while trippin'..haha..

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:03 am 
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Mike shhehan has his opinion. Good luck. He may be right, he may be wrong.
I don't think his record as a footy Nostradamus is all that great.
Why is this article getting so much oxygen?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:17 am 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
I agree with Sheehan. I think Trengove, Scully, Gysberts show more in their first season than Gibbs, Murphy, Kreuzer did in theirs. We can still improve our list in future drafts but my concern is our window is open for the next 4 years, while Judd is at his peak. Melbourne looks like they could contend within in 2 years and there Window is open for a decade. Anyway, this is all based on speculation and gut feeling but I think his article is more analytical than biased. I also remember Sheehan being pro Carlton in late 2007. I still think we are a key position player short at both ends and at least one A grade midfielder (to ease the pressure on Judd). Melbourne look only to be missing a key forward---if Watts develops, maybe 2 if he doesn't.


.. ..no way.. ..i reckon yer way off here.. ..Murph in his first year was quickly on his way to being one of our best mids until his injury.. ..admittedly Gibbs didn't set the world alight, but he was v.young when drafted.. ..as for Krooz, not sure what you would expect off a 1st year ruck but he exceeded all expectations.. ..also, the dee's are making their climb back up the ladder, while in murph and gibbs first years we as a team were still spoon contenders.. ..there's variables yer maybe not taking into account [like us losing stevo in 07]..

..Gys looks good for his first 2 games, though his disposal isn't as clean as it needs to be yet, ditto scully actually.. ..and how the hell do we still need another A grade mid to pair up with Judd, and the dee's aren't in need of any..?.. ..and aren't murphy and gibbs on their way to becoming A graders..?.. ..and as for KPP's if you listed theirs vs ours you'd find we've got more too..

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