Thomas' attack on the ball has improved out of sight this year.

But to suggest Thomas goes in harder than Murphy is just that; a suggestion.

Murphy is one tough bugger who usually has a hard tag and battles through with that monkey on his shoulder and constant niggling and belting, and still gets more hard balls than Thomas.

Really should leave Thomas out of this thread.
It's been proven to be a futile comparison over the years.

Murphy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thoams. Period.

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Just a little perspective HB.
Nobody is perfect, Judd shanks kicks, Ablett let a 1st gamer get 26 possessions on him and Reiwoldt cries.

I must be blind but i think someone just wrote that Thomas is harder than Murph.

WRONG

Against the pies when the ball was there to be won between Yarran and Thomas near the boundary line on our HFF they both didnt go.

Have a look at last years game when Murph was the only player to put his head over it on the pies HFL and got smashed by 2 pies players and also won the ball for us which resulted in a goal to Fev.

Back your crap up with factual evidence until then you have zilch cred.

The only time Thomas gets hard is when he watches an X-rated movie.

What is going on here?

Thomas and Murphy in the same sentence is laughable for Murphy to be playing the way he is with the number one tag is scaring the hell out of the opposition coaches there may only be a handful of players in the AFL the can beat a tag like Murphy.

I mean really.

..yeah, must say that i've never even heard of daisy bein' a hard player....

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He hasn't been singlehandedly blowing the opposition out of the game like we know he can, which is why I think the superfooty stats watchers have gone off him a bit.

But as was said above he is consistently getting tagged now, whereas I think in previous years teams tended to go for Judd first, then worry about Marc if he started getting the ball (which he obviously did).

I was VERY surprised that he got up for the start of the season, and I think had Judd been playing he might well have been rested a bit more. Great effort by him.

Against West Coast he really started to find a bit of form and I expect he will be one of our best come Saturday

Thats crap everytime there is a 50/50 contest Thomas will always be second to the ball just like the following collingwood player:

Pendelbury
Davis
Didak

Murph is having an excellent season and is now regarded as an elite midfielder. He gets the heavy tag and still earns between 20/30 possessions.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Zilch cred? Coming from the bloke that pointed to stats he didn't have an understanding of as proof of his opinion? OK. I'll take that as a compliment.

Factual evidence? Pull out a copy of the game last week and watch Murph overrun two balls that he should have easily gathered because he wouldn't put his head over it. He had time and space on both occasions as well.

I remember Thomas' hardness at the contest was highlighted on On the Couch during last year's finals. But if you want evidence watch the game. Qualifying Final 2009 Collingwood v Saints. Simple as that. That should keep you busy I want to hear nothing from you until you've watched that video.

For all those saying Murphy is better that Thomas I agree 110% in fact that's what I posted above.

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No your wrong there I'm sorry. He may have been like that in the past, not any more.

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Funny I agree, I already said Murph is way better and I never brought Thomas' name into the equation until someone else did. I guess this post is directed at someone else.

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Cue kouta my hard tag where are you? Can't wait to see what you have to offer!!

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Hellas, I think you have been drinking too much ouzo. The show pony Thomas harder at the ball than Murphy ? My 18 month old granddaughter is harder at the ball than Thomas. They don't call him daisy for nothing. I think its something to do about him wilting.

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LOL I don't drink.

Thomas has no issue putting his head over the ball. Murphy clearly does. That's the way I see it, if you disagree, good for you! I have no problem with that!

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A bit below the belt but I'll pay that one!!

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I dont agree. I think Murphy everynow and then gets a bit ahead of himself and thats all. Thomas is a wingman these days. He dives in occasionally but i wouldnt suggest he is more couragous than Murphy. I think thomas has improved this year. He has gone back to basics and uses his running to get to more and more contests.

Murphy is a gun and i can see Hellas is just trying to point out a weakness he sees in his game. If it is a weaness i am sure he has been told about it by the coaches who tape and review his every move. Last saturday was a fantastic game by Murphy and will give him confidence for the rest of the season.

PS i have seen Judd overrun the ball plenty of times.

I tend to agree with this comment. Murphy no longer is considered a young player with loads of potential who the opposition will tag if he starts getting a bit of the footy (ie. Scully this year)

He has developed into the most important player in our midfield. Before anyone jumps down my throat about Judd etc, let me explain. Although Judd is clearly our best player, what Murphy does is demand the number 1 tag at times throughout the game, which allows Judd a bit (Not much lol), but never the less a bit more room to operate.

On the point of Thomas, even the most one eyed Collingwood supporter I know, admits he would have Murphy over Thomas any day of the week, and I suspect twice on sundays.

Hellas, I respectfully disagree with your assertions in this thread.

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"I signed three years at Carlton [and] I'm a year-and-a-half into that," Murphy said. "A lot can happen in a year-and-a-half, but I'm happy at Carlton"


"A lot can happen in a year-and-a-half" ... Mmm hopefully no-one else is dangling a carrot at him