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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 1:27 am 
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I still have high hopes that RoK will make it, but the longer he goes without playing the more worried I get.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 6:45 am 
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The kick-ins have certainly improved this year ( so far ) . Russells kicking has improved generally , and this has helped our kick-in situation .
Jammos kicking is pretty good too .
JR to take about 50% , the rest spread around a bit , depending on who is down there at the time .

The main thing is get the ball back in quickly .

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:47 am 
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I wonder how many blue supporters have JR in there dream/super coach teams? He has been good value this year.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:14 am 
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klakker wrote:

The main thing is get the ball back in quickly .


That's what I think.
It's easier to kick to a player in open space from a kick in.
We have plenty of good kicks (mentioned above), and our kick out strategy has improved since round 1.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:24 am 
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I'm happy for JR to kick in as long as he does it quickly.

If the flood is on then someone like Scotland should be kicking.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 5:27 pm 
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billybloggs wrote:
I wonder how many blue supporters have JR in there dream/super coach teams? He has been good value this year.


I have JR in my super=coach team, thought he was a bargain and its definitely looking that way.

Still cant get over Carlton supporters sitting near me at the Geelong game who continuously bagged him out for the most minor of things, but when he did a good thing (which happened regularly), they couldn't even acknowledge it. If Wallsy can even admit he is doing well then surely they can.

In answer to your question I say YAY!. Our kickouts this year have improved tenfold in comparison to last year. He hasn't been the designated kick-out player for long and you can only think he will get better.

I do however wish he would kick it to himself more when kicking out to further increase his super-coach score.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 6:38 pm 
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Kick ins should only be taken by players who have exceptional skills with which they punish you.\

JR is an ok kick, but too inconsistent and will more than likely always be that way....


Gibbs would be ideal...but we don't really want him that deep.

No one else really stands out....

Joseph would probably be a better choice than JR to be honest.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:15 pm 
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Yazzamatazz wrote:
Nay

Kick ins should only be taken by players who have exceptional skills with which they punish you.\

JR is an ok kick, but too inconsistent and will more than likely always be that way....


Gibbs would be ideal...but we don't really want him that deep.

No one else really stands out....

Joseph would probably be a better choice than JR to be honest.


Surely not. Joseph is great little trier, but kicking is NOT his strongpoint. JR goes ok, and the rest of his game is :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:20 pm 
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Don't underestimate Josephs skills, they are not his strong point but they are clean and pretty reliable..

Kicking is clearly not JR's strongpoint but we have him kicking in....

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:16 pm 
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:20 pm 
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Yazzamatazz wrote:
Don't underestimate Josephs skills, they are not his strong point but they are clean and pretty reliable..

Kicking is clearly not JR's strongpoint but we have him kicking in....


Eh?? :confused: We have JR kicking in because that is his strong point! ... yes he can turn the ball over but show me a player that kicks out 10 times and doesn't turn it over.

JR's kicks have very little air time and are therefore excellent in combatting a zone. I love JR's kicking, he's got variety, power and great technique.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:59 pm 
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JR is a wonderful kick, infact one of the best either side of his body in our team, not a bad player to boot. He makes mistakes at times like ALL players do, but so does Juddy.
Have a look at any old replays of any Carlton games, and you will find that our hero's of days gone by, made just as many errors in the heat of the battle as JR does today. Check out SOS who I regard as one of the greatest Blue to play the game, and see how many times he turned the ball over, infact he cost us a game against the bombers once where he kicked a shocker from a kick in to Ricey in the dying part of the game. Against the Bummers of all teams.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:58 pm 
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seanpb wrote:
Russell is doing a pretty damn good job taking the kick-ins at this point in time.

No point changing when it's not an issue.


Agree.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:01 pm 
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He has improved with every other aspect of his game, so why not. It is not pretty at the moment but are there any other obvious contenders? Gibbs?....leave him up the field


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:04 pm 
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That kick by SOS was not helped by Rice's inability to bend down and make a decent attempt of at least locking it in even if he could not collect it cleanly...you are right though, SOS was not the best kick in.

billybloggs wrote:
JR is a wonderful kick, infact one of the best either side of his body in our team, not a bad player to boot. He makes mistakes at times like ALL players do, but so does Juddy.
Have a look at any old replays of any Carlton games, and you will find that our hero's of days gone by, made just as many errors in the heat of the battle as JR does today. Check out SOS who I regard as one of the greatest Blue to play the game, and see how many times he turned the ball over, infact he cost us a game against the bombers once where he kicked a shocker from a kick in to Ricey in the dying part of the game. Against the Bummers of all teams.
Very few forums back then if any.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:36 pm 
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LosAzules wrote:
Yazzamatazz wrote:
Don't underestimate Josephs skills, they are not his strong point but they are clean and pretty reliable..

Kicking is clearly not JR's strongpoint but we have him kicking in....


Eh?? :confused: We have JR kicking in because that is his strong point! ... yes he can turn the ball over but show me a player that kicks out 10 times and doesn't turn it over.

JR's kicks have very little air time and are therefore excellent in combatting a zone. I love JR's kicking, he's got variety, power and great technique.




If kicking is his strong point why does he turn it over so much?? and so easily?

His technique is quite stiff too...probably because he is too worried about turning it over again.

He does at times kick the ball quite well, but kicking is clearly not his strong point, and to say so is detracting from his actual strong point in that he is excellent defensively...very accountable.

I also like the way he takes the game on.

A good example of a player who's kicking is his strong point is Brendan Fevola.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 1:55 pm 
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Bump;

Did you see JR's pin point kick-in to Rich last night :?:

Reminded me of the Pagan Days :donk:

Have we improved with our Kick-ins :?:

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 2:43 pm 
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Yes we have improved.

Yes JR made a kick in error.

He is still our best option in my opinion. The only other two would be scotland and Gibbs. They both have stuffed up plenty of kick ins in the past also.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 2:44 pm 
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Mistakes are easier to remember than the good results.

His kicking has improved out of sight this year. Yes, mistakes still creep in, guess he'll just keep working on it.


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