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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:17 pm 
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I Have a Suggestion....


Throw Thornton Forward and make him a permanent forward... I rate him as a forward better than Henderson and co....


Even better, Throw Jamison in there, and see how he goes....


Get every player on our list who is 190+ tall and throw them all Forward and see what they can do.... Damn it, i am getting Desperate lool, we are going to get Flogged every week :yikes: :yikes:


I'll say it again.

I am very glad you have nothing to do with the club.



Say it Again? LOOOOL I didnt know you have already said it once...idiotic comments should not be wasted here.... instead, how about we hear your input on our lethal forward line??

got any Solutions?


I just want to know what LOOOOL means. I ainz down with internet speak.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:59 pm 
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I though our defence was ok against Sydney.

I reckon if I was Ratten this week I would:

1. Direct the player to use the corridor more (obvious).

2. Continue/Try a new 2 pronged Tall forward setup (not sure that the Kruz/Henderson duo was a good choice).

3. Make Levi one of those tall forwards (at least he can mark the ball).

4. Run ... run run.

5. Make sure Russell does not kick in (I like Russell ... but not kicking in)

6. Instruct the forwards to find space (not always easy but something they have to do a whole lot better)

7. Betts and Garlett crumbing the tall forwards. Yarran on forward flank.

8. Pray for seaon 2010.




For the future ...


Lure Fev to Carlton ... :wink: :wink: :wink:

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:39 pm 
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Dodo27 wrote:
dane wrote:
Dodo27 wrote:
I Have a Suggestion....


Throw Thornton Forward and make him a permanent forward... I rate him as a forward better than Henderson and co....


Even better, Throw Jamison in there, and see how he goes....


Get every player on our list who is 190+ tall and throw them all Forward and see what they can do.... Damn it, i am getting Desperate lool, we are going to get Flogged every week :yikes: :yikes:


I'll say it again.

I am very glad you have nothing to do with the club.



Say it Again? LOOOOL I didnt know you have already said it once...idiotic comments should not be wasted here.... instead, how about we hear your input on our lethal forward line??

got any Solutions?


must have a short memory.
I have a problem with you calling our forward line ineffective based on one match.
I'd like to see:

Houlihan Waite Yarran
Betts O'hAlpin Henderson

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:29 am 
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Bring Casboult in..

we did well with a rookie last year (Aaron Joseph) let's see more of Casboult.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:32 am 
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Interesting logic - because AJ stepped up as a rookie last year, the rookies are where the quality is. Just remember that AJ was a rookie in the 2008 season and played exactly 0 games. It took a year of development for him to make the grade. He wasn't an overnight success. And it's easier for mids to make an immediate impact than it is for a KPP.

Casboult may be able to make an impact this year. But you can't say that on the strength of 1 intraclub game and his height. Will he have the fitness needed to play at AFL level after only half an AFL preseason? Is he good enough defensively to avoid being exploited?

Yep, try him out in the preseason. But keep the expectations in check.

Here's a tip - work the seam rather than the tailings. Yes, you might occasionally strike it rich by finding something everyone else missed, but better to concentrate on a more systematic approach.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:36 am 
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Indie wrote:

Here's a tip - work the seam rather than the tailings. Yes, you might occasionally strike it rich by finding something everyone else missed, but better to concentrate on a more systematic approach.


:thumbsup:

I like it...

Paf should have this framed and mounted on his study wall :oops: :razz:


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:45 am 
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Indie wrote:
Interesting logic - because AJ stepped up as a rookie last year, the rookies are where the quality is. Just remember that AJ was a rookie in the 2008 season and played exactly 0 games. It took a year of development for him to make the grade. He wasn't an overnight success. And it's easier for mids to make an immediate impact than it is for a KPP.

Casboult may be able to make an impact this year. But you can't say that on the strength of 1 intraclub game and his height. Will he have the fitness needed to play at AFL level after only half an AFL preseason? Is he good enough defensively to avoid being exploited?

Yep, try him out in the preseason. But keep the expectations in check.

Here's a tip - work the seam rather than the tailings. Yes, you might occasionally strike it rich by finding something everyone else missed, but better to concentrate on a more systematic approach.



I know this post has a hidden message in it but for once it makes sense

we were far to tall last saturday and Ohalpin is due a run before Casboult - Still need to shift one more tall and bring in another mid

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:38 am 
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There's no doubt that Santy is the obvious selection to take Fish's place in last week's team - he's capable of performing the lead-up role as well as playing tall in F50.

But my comments were more about other players and options. For this week's game and for the sake of the upcoming year, they need to juggle Hammer and Hendo on the last line. The 4 ruckmen strategy was a bit of a disaster on Saturday, but we need to see how Hammer goes as a fast-leading forward. Giving him only a half when we were shell-shocked wasn't enough to make a judgment on that experiment. And of course we have to persist with Henderson up forward. Playing Casboult is exciting for the fans, but it would prevent the MC from giving Henderson and Hammer enough time up forward. Are they also serious about throwing Thornton up forward, or was that just a desperate last-gasp move against the Swans? In the longer term, surely we need to groom Austin as a swingman. He's injured at the moment, but when he returns we should give him some priority over Casboult.

I'd love to know how many rookies have made an impact as a KPF in their first year. I doubt if there'd be many, and that stands to reason as it's easier to play as a key defender than a key forward. Yes, there are top-10 picks who've made the grade in their first year - Buddy scored at a bit better than a goal a game, and Hurley was influential at both ends of the ground. But JK's slow start is much more common. About the only one who comes to mind is Justin Westhoff who kicked around 2 goals a game in his 1st year after being taken at 71.

Like Westhoff, Casboult is an older draftee - he's almost 20. And he's surely no less solid than Westhoff was or is. Casboult has also shown impressive commitment to conforming to the wishes of the conditioning staff. Apparently he's dropped 10kg after weighing 103 when he was drafted. But though that is very encouraging for the future, it also suggests he was behind the eight ball when he arrived and is trying to make up ground. He just didn't have an AFL body when he arrived. It's unlikely that a reduced preseason (as draftees arrive after preseason training commences) can turn that around. But who knows. I'm not saying he can't do it, or that he shouldn't be given the opportunity, but expectations should be moderated. It would be a bonus if he plays AFL games this year, and practice matches shouldn't be configured around that possibility.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:15 am 
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Wiggo is another who equipped himself quite well for a while at that lead up role - took plenty of marks but lost it with his delivery

I tend to agree with you (which is one serious major worry)

there seems to be this thing among Carltons supporters that we are going to pluck this superstar out of are arse and he will be the cure to all our ills - They have pumped 6 or more years into Ohalpin he has to be given a crack before any of these rookies and with Hendo being a round 1 pick they have to give him every chance to prove himself -

Fans were critical of him on Saturday night but Bolton is no mug and quite a task to be set on your first outing

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:26 am 
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Don't forget what a success Garlett was last year too. Some say its harder to be a KPP and make an impression but its equally as hard to be a very skinny short person and make an impression. If Garlett can do what he did last season, I have no doubt Casboult can do it too!

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:37 am 
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Are we talking 2010 or 1980? In modern times, young speedsters are MUCH more likely to make an initial impact than KPPs. I won't provide a list, because I'd probably come up against the word limit for a post. But Davey and Betts are 2 pretty good examples of players who debuted and excelled in the year after they missed selection in the National Draft. Betts is short, and Davey was reed-thin when drafted. And we've already seen Lewis Jetta and Trent Dennis-Lane up close this year.

And Garlett at 180cm isn't short.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:42 am 
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Dodo27 wrote:
..idiotic comments should not be wasted here....

:lol: agree

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:57 pm 
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Ben Rutten was pick 40 in the rookie draft of 2002 - he has done pretty well as a key position defender.


Nathan Bock was also a rookie elevation.
I guess there aren't too many key position rookie forwards that I can think of off the top ...but never say never. It could happen.


I would like to see more of Casboult, but i take the points above that the coaches probably have different plans. Whatever happens happens.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:27 am 
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I've heard that Fev is playing. Nothing official yet.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:39 am 
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Freddy47 wrote:
I've heard that Fev is playing. Nothing official yet.


Who for?

:donk:

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:42 am 
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Freddy47 wrote:
I've heard that Fev is playing. Nothing official yet.




It would be pretty poor form if he didn't

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:43 am 
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Makes sense for Brisbane to play him, even if for just a quarter.

That way they can get all the Fev vs His Old Club bullshit out of the way in a who-cares practice match, so he's not distracted leading into Round 3.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:44 am 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
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I've heard that Fev is playing. Nothing official yet.


Who for?

:donk:



Himself as usual :wink:

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I've heard that Fev is playing. Nothing official yet.


Who for?

:donk:



Himself as usual :wink:


Pay that!


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:32 am 
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Any chance of this being televised or available for download? The timing is absolutely [REDACTED].

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