bg do you have any evidence that shows that levi wasn't a willing participant?

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Caro has been on leave and probably wrote this before she went and just dollied it up before submitting it. She is a bitter old woman and it comes across on her panel appearances. She knows that nobody takes her seriously as a football journalist because she has never had more than an emotional envolvement with the game. People who have never played a sport are allowed do have their opinions on it and we all respect their opinions and their right to express them but it is hard to give credence to so-called in-depth stuff from someone who is essentially a novice. She can only talk about this peripheral stuff and so makes it as controversial as possible. When she has to argue about the facets of the game outside the gossip, she flounders. This story is the equivalent of the Brangelina stuff that sells glossy magazines.

Levi didn't suffer too many scars if his game last week is any indication.

And Juddy DOES need to exert more off-field influence on the group.

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Despite what was written in the press, there was no direct correlation between Levi being blind and him being handcuffed. The handcuff episode was brief and the young players were actually told to behave themselves and not to get too drunk. It was specifically stated that it will not improve their standing at the club. The media took the handcuffs revelation and the comments by Levi's father and drew their own conclusion. 2 + 2 does not equal 6, and that was the media's answer (that he was "force fed alcohol" and treated like some sort of slave). H/S ran that Levi's father was pissed at the club for what happened. If you read his comments, he was disappointed in his son, not the club.

Carlton's only reasonable response for this garbage is to bury it now and not comment. The media is voracious to beat up any admission. It's nice to know that the H/S was eager to retract their comments about Mitch Robinson in relation to brawls, black eyes and dislocated shoulders......

And there's more vitriol in the Broadshhet on Sport page 23. Headed "What they should do.."

I can't reproduce it on here as I do not have a scanner, but it is a letter from Ron Verma who is a former Carlton member who says he now supports St Kilda and is bucketing shit on our club.

Reading his letter it appears that he has put together all of the bad points aired on TC.

e.g

He as Caro has done pours heaps on Judd. He has also had a crack Sticks

I thought the HUN had a vendetta against us but the broadsheet is just as bad with Caro. How this St Kilda supporter's letter got published is incomprehensible

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I dont agree that handcuffing a rookie and forcing him to get spastic is worse than rape or drug trafficking

However the rest of the article is spot on

Forget about the fact that Caro is a bitter old women and look at the facts

She is right IMO
Houlihan should have been moved on years ago

He is obviously a big flower baby

The senior player who was handcuffed to Levi and the others should have been named and held accountable

Judd has no balls as captain just like he was at WC
He offers a lack of experience as an excuse . Bullshit

In all of this there is a feeling of a lack of accountability
When Houlihan says wrong place wrong time when he is caught in his undies at a 5 star hotel foyer that sums it up for me.


In short this playing group needs to grow up.

Is that the same points that have been made by 15 other Journos 10 times each over the past 6 weeks. Caro's cheap shot article is old news. She's just a mischievous old scribe who has let her hate of Carlton shine through for all to see once again.

The Mars contract must have tipped her over the edge.

The fact her beloved Tiger cubs have no hope of getting off out of the bottom 3 for the next 5 years only makes it better.

You need to get some new schtick Caro. You are just boring now after all these years dribbling the same routine.

Regards Cazzesman

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ummmm....the handcuffs?

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

those pesky handcuffs forcing beer down your throat.

seriously what a joke.

@#$%&! you caro.

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Josh has been doing a great Melvey impression for the preseason dont you think?

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but Dane...I guess my point is,what chance would a new kid have of saying 'no' if he really didn't want to dirink..or drink a lot, in that situation?..really,what have binge drinking and prehistoric initiation rites got to do with modern day ethics and footy?
Why shoot the messenger?
Caro is far from perfect,but i agree with many of her points..if we don't listen,we don't change.

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

apparently nothing good ever happens at Carlton.... However, i'm damn excited about this year, and i'm gonna enjoy what our emerging team offers. I couldn't care less what Caro says about us, but the constant bagging of Carlton by certain posters on this forum, is tiresome in the extreme.

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My wife is the most perceptive person I have ever met

And she is a Carlton supporter to boot. A great combination

So when she says Judd is a yes man that is spot on

What is a yes man



Yes Rebecca
Yes Daniel and Ben
Yes Sticks
Yes Ratts
Yes .....................................................


Not a good choice of captain


the alternative



Andrew Carrazzo

I agree. While she starts off with the usual hysterics she then moves into some salient points, albeit ones that have been made numerous times. The issue with this article is the timing , not the content (with the exception of the comparisons)

If they think that there was nothing wrong with a kid being handcuffed to another player for a drinking session then they should name the senior player.

Our name gets dragged through the mud every time we have an "issue" and we continue to supply them with the ammunition they need. It's time for the the club as a whole to achieve a new level of professionalism and eradicate the opportunities afforded this media clowns.

I honestly cant believe we are still discussing this. This is over and the players involved have paid for it. I dont see how a bit of male bonding has been blown out of proportion like this. Caro is not the messenger, every other pissweak journalist in this little town has got their few hundred words in on this story.

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Dane

offer your honest assessment of Chris Judd's off field leadership

I have always had the feeling that Judd is a very reluctant captain. This issue is that who else have we had??

He gets away with it because of his aura and pure playing ability. If you ever see him in the rooms or behind closed doors he doesnt say much at all and pretty much keeps to himself.

You wouldnt want to change captain now and I think Judd should stay in the role as we do not need anymore instability.

I think Caro's article misses the point and by a long way! We are an extremely young group with minimal leadership and maturity. It takes time and considering our last decade things do not change overnight.

Just maybe, these issues are the result more of past leaders and their lack of example????

All that the pre season has done is brought some issues to a head that have now been dealt with. All I see now is positives in this area because of this.

The important thing is that guys like Gibbs, Murphy, Kruezer etc start to assume more responsibility with each game.

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Seriously why would Carlton name the player. It would just allow these muck racking bullshit journalists to target another one of our players, but I suppose some posters on here would love that.

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Keogh, offer us one anecdote that provides an honest assessment of Judd's off field leadership...

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How can I comment on it? I am not a member of the playing group and as such the information is all rumors and hearsay. The only thing I can comment on is his on field leadership which I thnk is superb.

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Caro would have had nothing to write about if Levi (Two Pots ) could hold a drink

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