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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:37 pm 
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Many have pointed out the Herald Sun are trawling through TC looking for stories.

A few more threads accusing them of bias against us will definitely help our cause :roll:

Best thing we can do is give them nothing negative to write about.


This is hilarious... so questions and issues shouldn't be raised on this site because of the big bad hun?? :lol:

I thought he was suggesting not to hammer the Hun on here?

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:39 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
budzy wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
Many have pointed out the Herald Sun are trawling through TC looking for stories.

A few more threads accusing them of bias against us will definitely help our cause :roll:

Best thing we can do is give them nothing negative to write about.


This is hilarious... so questions and issues shouldn't be raised on this site because of the big bad hun?? :lol:


I thought he was suggesting not to hammer the Hun on here?


nah, give'm heaps! :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:13 pm 
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budzy wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
Many have pointed out the Herald Sun are trawling through TC looking for stories.

A few more threads accusing them of bias against us will definitely help our cause :roll:

Best thing we can do is give them nothing negative to write about.


This is hilarious... so questions and issues shouldn't be raised on this site because of the big bad hun?? :lol:


Not what I mean at all.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:20 pm 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
budzy wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
Many have pointed out the Herald Sun are trawling through TC looking for stories.

A few more threads accusing them of bias against us will definitely help our cause :roll:

Best thing the club can do is give them nothing negative to write about.


This is hilarious... so questions and issues shouldn't be raised on this site because of the big bad hun?? :lol:


Not what I mean at all.


edited for accuracy...?

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:28 pm 
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Yeah, when I say we I mean the club.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:22 pm 
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You can get on Big Footy anyday of the week and we are being slagged by supporters of every other club. In any given poll we are the hated. We are hated with a passion by anybody that doesn't support the Blues. Go there and see for yourselves. Our boys need to pull their heads in, bond together and come out and play for the jumper & supporters and we need to be right behind them. When I went to school forty odd years ago we were bloody well hated then, so nothing has changed, except we nearly always won back then. The only difference is now we have Forums and the other teams supporters combined have a bigger voice and sports journalism is very Americanized and personal and they sure influences the masses. Exposure is enormous.
The fact that our stocks as a club have improved both on and off the field in the past year just fuels the fire, so it is only natural that the non believers will look to anything to keep us down. So be it, persecution will continue, they have witnessed their best decade in Australian Football history, but we as a club, Players, administration & supporters, MUST not let them fragment our great club and stick together whether right or wrong. WINNING games will go a long way to repairing any damage, so our boys need positves not negatives, as Sticks says"we are Carlton **** the rest".


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:13 pm 
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billybloggs wrote:
You can get on Big Footy anyday of the week and we are being slagged by supporters of every other club. In any given poll we are the hated. We are hated with a passion by anybody that doesn't support the Blues. Go there and see for yourselves. Our boys need to pull their heads in, bond together and come out and play for the jumper & supporters and we need to be right behind them. When I went to school forty odd years ago we were bloody well hated then, so nothing has changed, except we nearly always won back then. The only difference is now we have Forums and the other teams supporters combined have a bigger voice and sports journalism is very Americanized and personal and they sure influences the masses. Exposure is enormous.
The fact that our stocks as a club have improved both on and off the field in the past year just fuels the fire, so it is only natural that the non believers will look to anything to keep us down. So be it, persecution will continue, they have witnessed their best decade in Australian Football history, but we as a club, Players, administration & supporters, MUST not let them fragment our great club and stick together whether right or wrong. WINNING games will go a long way to repairing any damage, so our boys need positves not negatives, as Sticks says"we are Carlton **** the rest".


Great post bb. :thumbsup:

United we stand.
Divided we fall.

Now lets stick together and get 'em. :fight:

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 3:01 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
The reputations of these HUN journalists is being scrutinised and in some cases tarnished by posters in the many Carlton related public forums (such as Talking Carlton, Big Footy, Carlton Supporters Club, the Blue View...) for what is seen by some as possibly an unethical directive by their employer.


I'm sure they couldn't give a left one about this. 'Carlton' related internet forums don't carry any weight. The numbers just aren't that great and the arguments don't hold any weight.

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Surely the HUN should be promoting the AFL with as much positivite reporting as possible to help attract more people and sponsors to the competition. Constant negative reporting will only put people off the paper and the code over time, and importantly sponsors too. Surely that's a case of the HUN biting the hand that feeds it.


The hand that feeds the HUN are clubs like Essendon* that have a financial arrangement with one another. Similarly 'The Age' with Melbourne. Less so the HUN with Collingwood, however having the President write for the paper does carry some weight. That Carlton doesn't seem to have a single journo or newspaper in its pocket is the fault of the Communications Mgr and the Board itself. It's also an inability to move with the times. For there was a time - a very long time, when the relationship with Melbourne's football columnists and Carlton was extremely strong - thanks largely in part to perks received at various pubs and eateries in the area.

We can't complain too much. The behaviour of some of our players during the off-season has been deplorable. The argument that 'other clubs do it too and it doesn't get reported' might be true, but a little childish. What the club needs to do is to not exacerbate the situation. For starters, it needs to get its communications right. Swann and Icke need to make the statements - not Kernahan and not 'a Carlton spokesman'. Ian Coutts must take the blame and a kick up the bum for the club receiving a 'please explain' for failing to inform the League that Betts had been arrested and locked up overnight. Behind closed doors I hope this occurred. To my knowledge - it hasn't.

The club needs some positive press (and quick)...some snaps of the leadership group (because not one Carlton supporter seems to know who that's made up of - arms crossed please in front of the new Facility), some shots of the boys on the Tennis Court with some kids from Kids Tennis Foundation during the AustOpen (throw in TeleChoice sponsor connection between the two), promote the family day via social media (promote competitions via social media - think what The Blueseum does on here with prizes...target the kids etc), utilize the 'cooking' part of the membership campaign and have a (dry) 'Blues BBQ' on Australia Day, have some newsworthiness about mentor and current player (e.g Geoff Southby/Michael Jamison), the VISY connection at the new facilities and the school groups that will go through there...you might not get them around immediately, but eventually the vendetta stops because Carlton sells newspapers for good news stories as well...

the HUN executive knows that...he must've been burnt by Carlton in the past (p ossibly after Brownlow Night)and decided to hold a grudge now he's in a position of 'power'. Vendetta's from the likes of Herald Sun editor-in-chief Phil Gardner don't last long and this should well be Ruffy Geminder's first line of duty as new Board Member. If he doesn't have lunch with Gardner at Lynch's locked in the calender - i'd be disappointed. They have more in common than they probably realise. But we don't have the brain nor the broker at the club to instigate this these days...Laurie Kerr - we need you more than ever! :cry:


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 3:13 pm 
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POW Doc. :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 3:38 pm 
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Great post Doc. :thumbsup:

Personally I couldn't give a rats...about the HUN. I do care on the impact they are having on the brand for the business.

But Marketing 101 tells me that a seed of doubt/ inuendo can turn out to become a forest fire. Hense, my post/ thread (now in cyberspace), was written in the same vein as the HUN would.
I know it could gather legs.

Sure Carlton internet forums don't carry weight, but when people's reputations are at stake, then these forums are the conduits of inuendo, rumour, suspicions and doubt and can do some harm to people's self image. I know they do; we're dealing with human beings here.

I do agree the club needs to get on the front foot.
That's my preference.
The sooner the better imo.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:44 pm 
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Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
The reputations of these HUN journalists is being scrutinised and in some cases tarnished by posters in the many Carlton related public forums (such as Talking Carlton, Big Footy, Carlton Supporters Club, the Blue View...) for what is seen by some as possibly an unethical directive by their employer.


I'm sure they couldn't give a left one about this. 'Carlton' related internet forums don't carry any weight. The numbers just aren't that great and the arguments don't hold any weight.

bondiblue wrote:
Surely the HUN should be promoting the AFL with as much positivite reporting as possible to help attract more people and sponsors to the competition. Constant negative reporting will only put people off the paper and the code over time, and importantly sponsors too. Surely that's a case of the HUN biting the hand that feeds it.


The hand that feeds the HUN are clubs like Essendon* that have a financial arrangement with one another. Similarly 'The Age' with Melbourne. Less so the HUN with Collingwood, however having the President write for the paper does carry some weight. That Carlton doesn't seem to have a single journo or newspaper in its pocket is the fault of the Communications Mgr and the Board itself. It's also an inability to move with the times. For there was a time - a very long time, when the relationship with Melbourne's football columnists and Carlton was extremely strong - thanks largely in part to perks received at various pubs and eateries in the area.

We can't complain too much. The behaviour of some of our players during the off-season has been deplorable. The argument that 'other clubs do it too and it doesn't get reported' might be true, but a little childish. What the club needs to do is to not exacerbate the situation. For starters, it needs to get its communications right. Swann and Icke need to make the statements - not Kernahan and not 'a Carlton spokesman'. Ian Coutts must take the blame and a kick up the bum for the club receiving a 'please explain' for failing to inform the League that Betts had been arrested and locked up overnight. Behind closed doors I hope this occurred. To my knowledge - it hasn't.

The club needs some positive press (and quick)...some snaps of the leadership group (because not one Carlton supporter seems to know who that's made up of - arms crossed please in front of the new Facility), some shots of the boys on the Tennis Court with some kids from Kids Tennis Foundation during the AustOpen (throw in TeleChoice sponsor connection between the two), promote the family day via social media (promote competitions via social media - think what The Blueseum does on here with prizes...target the kids etc), utilize the 'cooking' part of the membership campaign and have a (dry) 'Blues BBQ' on Australia Day, have some newsworthiness about mentor and current player (e.g Geoff Southby/Michael Jamison), the VISY connection at the new facilities and the school groups that will go through there...you might not get them around immediately, but eventually the vendetta stops because Carlton sells newspapers for good news stories as well...

the HUN executive knows that...he must've been burnt by Carlton in the past (p ossibly after Brownlow Night)and decided to hold a grudge now he's in a position of 'power'. Vendetta's from the likes of Herald Sun editor-in-chief Phil Gardner don't last long and this should well be Ruffy Geminder's first line of duty as new Board Member. If he doesn't have lunch with Gardner at Lynch's locked in the calender - i'd be disappointed. They have more in common than they probably realise. But we don't have the brain nor the broker at the club to instigate this these days...Laurie Kerr - we need you more than ever! :cry:


If you haven't already Doc, please forward this to the club.

Send it three times to Ian Coutts.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 10:40 pm 
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MPH78 wrote:
Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
The reputations of these HUN journalists is being scrutinised and in some cases tarnished by posters in the many Carlton related public forums (such as Talking Carlton, Big Footy, Carlton Supporters Club, the Blue View...) for what is seen by some as possibly an unethical directive by their employer.


I'm sure they couldn't give a left one about this. 'Carlton' related internet forums don't carry any weight. The numbers just aren't that great and the arguments don't hold any weight.

bondiblue wrote:
Surely the HUN should be promoting the AFL with as much positivite reporting as possible to help attract more people and sponsors to the competition. Constant negative reporting will only put people off the paper and the code over time, and importantly sponsors too. Surely that's a case of the HUN biting the hand that feeds it.


The hand that feeds the HUN are clubs like Essendon* that have a financial arrangement with one another. Similarly 'The Age' with Melbourne. Less so the HUN with Collingwood, however having the President write for the paper does carry some weight. That Carlton doesn't seem to have a single journo or newspaper in its pocket is the fault of the Communications Mgr and the Board itself. It's also an inability to move with the times. For there was a time - a very long time, when the relationship with Melbourne's football columnists and Carlton was extremely strong - thanks largely in part to perks received at various pubs and eateries in the area.

We can't complain too much. The behaviour of some of our players during the off-season has been deplorable. The argument that 'other clubs do it too and it doesn't get reported' might be true, but a little childish. What the club needs to do is to not exacerbate the situation. For starters, it needs to get its communications right. Swann and Icke need to make the statements - not Kernahan and not 'a Carlton spokesman'. Ian Coutts must take the blame and a kick up the bum for the club receiving a 'please explain' for failing to inform the League that Betts had been arrested and locked up overnight. Behind closed doors I hope this occurred. To my knowledge - it hasn't.

The club needs some positive press (and quick)...some snaps of the leadership group (because not one Carlton supporter seems to know who that's made up of - arms crossed please in front of the new Facility), some shots of the boys on the Tennis Court with some kids from Kids Tennis Foundation during the AustOpen (throw in TeleChoice sponsor connection between the two), promote the family day via social media (promote competitions via social media - think what The Blueseum does on here with prizes...target the kids etc), utilize the 'cooking' part of the membership campaign and have a (dry) 'Blues BBQ' on Australia Day, have some newsworthiness about mentor and current player (e.g Geoff Southby/Michael Jamison), the VISY connection at the new facilities and the school groups that will go through there...you might not get them around immediately, but eventually the vendetta stops because Carlton sells newspapers for good news stories as well...

the HUN executive knows that...he must've been burnt by Carlton in the past (p ossibly after Brownlow Night)and decided to hold a grudge now he's in a position of 'power'. Vendetta's from the likes of Herald Sun editor-in-chief Phil Gardner don't last long and this should well be Ruffy Geminder's first line of duty as new Board Member. If he doesn't have lunch with Gardner at Lynch's locked in the calender - i'd be disappointed. They have more in common than they probably realise. But we don't have the brain nor the broker at the club to instigate this these days...Laurie Kerr - we need you more than ever! :cry:


If you haven't already Doc, please forward this to the club.

Send it three times to Ian Coutts.


He'll need to print it out, though. Not sure Coutts knows what an email is.

Telex it through, Doc. :lol:

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 1:50 pm 
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MPH78 wrote:
Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
The club needs some positive press (and quick)...some snaps of the leadership group (because not one Carlton supporter seems to know who that's made up of - arms crossed please in front of the new Facility), some shots of the boys on the Tennis Court with some kids from Kids Tennis Foundation during the AustOpen (throw in TeleChoice sponsor connection between the two), promote the family day via social media (promote competitions via social media - think what The Blueseum does on here [u]with prizes...target the kids etc)[/u], utilize the 'cooking' part of the membership campaign and have a (dry) 'Blues BBQ' on Australia Day, have some newsworthiness about mentor and current player (e.g Geoff Southby/Michael Jamison), the VISY connection at the new facilities and the school groups that will go through there...you might not get them around immediately, but eventually the vendetta stops because Carlton sells newspapers for good news stories as well...

the HUN executive knows that...he must've been burnt by Carlton in the past (p ossibly after Brownlow Night)and decided to hold a grudge now he's in a position of 'power'. Vendetta's from the likes of Herald Sun editor-in-chief Phil Gardner don't last long and this should well be Ruffy Geminder's first line of duty as new Board Member. If he doesn't have lunch with Gardner at Lynch's locked in the calender - i'd be disappointed. They have more in common than they probably realise. But we don't have the brain nor the broker at the club to instigate this these days...Laurie Kerr - we need you more than ever! :cry:


If you haven't already Doc, please forward this to the club.

Send it three times to Ian Coutts.


While you're at it, attach this video for them

[youtube]3oFg87-gQoc[/youtube]


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 2:23 pm 
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Something l learnt a long time ago is not to worry about what anyone else thinks. The day you start to do that is the day you start losing focus on your own goals.

Would you rather the club did a day of community service/charity work, instead of training hard on the ground? Please the general community or do whats right for the CFC?.

I would do whats right for CFC and come ready for Rnd 1. Last thing the players need is the boat cruise brought up all the time and to focus on football instead.

The more we talk about the boat cruise the more we live in the past and its time to move on from this boat cruise topic. IT has been dealt with and no further action will come from it

The HUN would love this site because we make little things into big things. Otherwise the papers never forget about this stuff and continue to write about it weeks later. I forgot about the boat cruise till i come on this site.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:09 pm 
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Goltzenberg wrote:
Something l learnt a long time ago is not to worry about what anyone else thinks. The day you start to do that is the day you start losing focus on your own goals.


If you take that position to it's logical conclusion, Juddy shouldn't have even apologised for the players behavior.

No, I think the club should definately do something positive for the community as a way of redeeming itself in the public's (and fan's) eyes. I have spoken to many Carlton supporters and they are universally disappointed with club and playing group over these events.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:52 pm 
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An article on the clubs website

Blues over off-field indiscretions

Quote:
CARLTON defender Jordan Russell says the club has moved on from the controversies that have plagued them over the off-season.


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