Ive said it all along I dont think he should be captain, Ive shared these views always and Im not in any way over reacting to what has happened, its certainly not his fault the players are being pissheads. I know the OP who started this topic did so in the context of the latest incidents, but Ive always been of the belief that his on field leadership qualities are one of his very few downsides.

Glad they didn't blow up Parliament House the reaction would've been suicidal.

Boys had a good time and got p!ssed. Big major crime...wow!!!!! Give them their fine, kick them up the @rse, nip it in the bud in case the boys think they can carry that over, and get over it FFS. Just pile of boys having a few too many. Not a big crime. It could be worse. Andrew Lovett could play for us. That puts it into perspective. Bet most sides have players smashed to the crappers at some stage at this time of the year. I know, sack all the captains!!!! The fact we suspended 3 bloke before round 22 and traded Fev shows the club won't take too much sh!t.

Wonder how many dills busted their jaw with their kneejerk reaction. "Perspective" isn't a word in the football supporter's dictionary. Fair enough not to be happy but, sh!t, put it into some sort of perspective

Must be Fev's fault....Oh wait!

It's thread's like this that make me think 3/4 of supporters of any club variety are no more than emotional, overreactive brainless twerps.

Of course now there's the blame game. Stripping Judd of the captaincy....it is to laugh. Get rid of a great leader and premiership captain all based on dumb, uninformed opinions.

What do you do with a drunken sailor....

+1

Well said

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From memory, Judd didn't want the captaincy...

This all great, but who's the name we're putting up here as an alternative?
I think that Judd is great as a "lead by example" captain, but what we need right now is a "fear of God": a Buckley type who can inspire them, but also scare the cr@p out of them when required. Unfortunately, that ain't Judd.

But again: who's the alternative? We currently don't have one.

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Now we are really starting to sound like Richmond . . . .

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Making the player accountable..........then there wouldn't be a scapegoat.

I assume by a Buckley type, you mean a Jimmy Buckley type, like someone who's stood up to the pressure of 3 grand finals, and been successful?

I'm sure you don't mean like someone who wasn't able to impact a team sufficiently 2 years in a row to tatse ultimate success.

Juddy captained a team to a premiership. You can give us all your opinions, but in 50 years time, no-one remembers them. But it still says "2006 West Coast - Chris Judd". There are no flukes.

And if you think there are, and if you think that luck has any part in winning premierships, then ........... WELCOME TO COLLINGWOODSVILLE!!!!

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Jimmy Buckley would have been leading the charge

Peter Dean might be a better example of someone who lead through example and demanded the respect of the players...without being captain.

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No, I do mean Nathan Buckley.
Hard, uncompromising, every bit as professional as Judd with his preparation, and pretty damn scary if he had to be.

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I don't think people are blaming Judd.

But we are asking 'where was the captain' ? We've all heard the story about him telling the young blokes to order salads instead of chips. Well where is that same Captain to say "Fev, enough", "Boys, tone it down", "hey, don't pour booze down the young kids throat".

Leaders LEAD, they set an example. Sadly, that appears to be missing from Judd's skill set as shown here and at west Coast. Perhaps it wasn't noticed as much at WC because they won a flag.

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Nah, once the drink is in its too late.
The idea is to stop the drink from getting in, in the first place.

Should bring Mrs Marsh to do a "It gets in ?" demonstration.

Why footballers or anyone thinks they need to drink themselves into a stupor to have a good time is beyond me.

Losers!!!

Once drunk youre in the land of no return.Judd isnt going to pacify them from that point.

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I read an article saying that MOST players were on the boat.

So who wasn't on the boat

Not if Judd was pissed of his rockers aswell...

I'm starting to question Judd's role as Captain after what I heard happened that night aswell!

You are right SB Kerna and Ratts must go..Players are doing what they please down there!

We are paying for our memberships and putting money into the club while these flowers run our club to the ground!

yep, judd is no good, on or off the field!!!
get a grip
iam a foreman at my company, looking after 35 guys on site, if a few of the boys play up is it my fault?
these FEW guys are old enough to know better, plain and simple!!
sack houlihan and drop betts and walker for the first 15 games.

If they play up on site, a foreman needs to take responsibility for their conduct and discipline them appropriately.

If they go to the pub over the road, and the foreman goes with them, and they play up, it's not the foreman's responsibility to control their behaviour.

In the second occurrence, not sure why anyone would be sacked.

Ummm, and replace him with whom?

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verbs,
if iam looking after a 28 year old and a 24 year old MAN and he plays up on site have a guess what i and my project manager say?
how f@###$@@g old are you dick head? how much do you get paid? am i your baby sitter? act your age or F@#@K off!
if you go out and play up, do you blame your boss? do you blame your work culture? or do you blame mum and dad?
how F@#@@$%G old are these people? what a lame excuse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If they muck up on site (or in the Carlton players case during a game, at training, at a club function) then they get in trouble from the foreman (captain or coach or CEO).

If a 28yo under your employ goes to the pub with you as foreman and you all get blind, then he gets into trouble, would you get sacked? Would he get sacked? Should you get sacked? Should he get sacked if all he's done is get kicked out of a pub?

in the second occurrence why would you sack anyone?
first or second misconduct? try third, no player is bigger than the club!!!