http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-index.php? ... %2C%201984

Site has it as Val Perovic, and not Collins, who got whacked on this day. We'll check with the Oracles to see if we can get a casting vote. happy to take submissions fomr TC oracles too..

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EDIT: 2 different Muir incidents, one in 1984 (Perovic) and one in 1978 (Collins):

http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-index.php? ... 22%2C+1978

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We've managed to find a cracking photo of Shane Robertson's T-Shirt Jumper.

Question is....was it to cover a shoulder injury, or just a 'trend'?

http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-read_artic ... icleId=138

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Pretty sure it was to cover up the shoulder injury. Robbo had 3 knee reco's, 3 shoulder reco's and a broken neck that spanned 10 years for the Blues and plenty of footy in the country until he was in his early 40's. He's still coaching the seniors up in Hepburn Springs and LOVES CARLTON...great bloke who I'm sure wouldn't mind answering a few curly questions from the 80's.

Thanks Doc. You are, again, spot on. We managed to find this article from a magazine circa 1989 where Robertson in an interview explains the domestic accident he had where he hurt his shoulder and the need for the jumper to cover his brace. He also talks about the 1987 GF - well worth a read.

We've added the article to the original Blueseum story for people to understand the background. Just click on the image and it will get larger in screen.

http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-read_artic ... icleId=138

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I actually saw Greg Sharp play.I thought he was going to be a star.Remember watching this guy playing in the magoos and declaring him to be our next superstar.Magoos form,unfortunately is quite often fools gold.He was a very long kick in the Ang Christou mould.

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Ross Stevenson and Dennis Donahue had a show on 3CR (I think) at the time. This was just after the naming of the Elliot stand.

One said that he was just glad to see an erection in Carlton which didn't have John Elliot's name on it!!!!!

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Actually, the show was Lawyers, Guns and Money (named after a Warren Zevon song) and was on RRR after the Coodabeens.

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Do you remember when footy folklore suggested that years of suffering awaited any team that wanted to move beyond 13 Premierships? When the 13th flag was seen as a bad omen that required years & years of pain? Well...for Collingwood anyway.

TC's very own 'Bomba Sheldon' has put together his memories of 1982 for the Blueseum; a time where the Pies had been stuck on 13 'Flags' (not Cups) for eons and Pies fans gave it to us on the basis that we were set for the same horrific time.

http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-read_artic ... icleId=158

Or were we?

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Need to add 1980 on the list of lost pie grand finals

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Sorry KK, a basic oversight

Can anyone remember the details of this? We're pretty sure it related to Trent Hotton leaving the Pies, to be drafted by Carlton a few years later on. What were the details?

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Initially, nothing was said by the Collingwood Football Club. Matthew Hogg was interviewed after we defeated the Pies in round 4 of 1997, stating that the Blues knew all of Tony Shaw's set-plays such as the Hiroshima (the long bomb) and pretending to kick long and kicking short. Hoggy claimed the Blues also knew when Nathan Buckley kicked out and held the ball in his left hand he would kick to the left side and in his right, to the right. If he held the ball with both hands, the kick would go up the middle.

The Pies put 2 and 2 together (a difficult task for Collingwood people) and summized that Trent Hotton must have been the culprit as he had been given the chop by Shaw at the end of 1996 for turning up to training in an inebriated state. It then grew into the the urban myth that it has that Trent had photocopied the 'playbook' and shared the Collingwood secrets.

It must be remembered though, that it would be another few years before Trent would end up at Carlton.

While he might have enjoyed a drink and a laugh as a youngster, Trent Hotton is one of the most streetsmart and booksmart people I've ever encountered. In 2008 he was made CEO of Leading Teams Europe, and only recently returned to Melbourne to start up his own business - 'Team Effect' - loosely based on the Leading Teams methodology.

Trent vehemently denies having anything to do with the leaking of the Collingwood playbook. And good mate Craig Kelly agrees. Hotton captained Mansfield in the GVFL and Kelly played under him. It was merely an excuse used by Tony Shaw who's team performed well in the early part of the season, but were horrible in the latter part of the season.

Shaw's playbook may have been leaked, but it wasn't leaked by Trent Hotton. More a case of the astute Brittain/Parkin coaching combination had worked Collingwood's set-plays out.

Wish something like that would happen this year doc. Would come in handy......

All we need leaked from Collingwood is the name of the Arizona laboratory supplying Dane Swan with Erythropoietin (EPO).

POW!!!

(as in BANG!, not post of the week, although it could be)

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That has Get Smart written all over it

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Dont laugh, the team I played for used to use that as well - it was OK at suburban level

And, let's face it, how astute would you need to be to work out Tony Shaw's set plays?

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Didn't Tony Shaw run head first into a tree one pre-season?

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which tree? where? I want to go hug it