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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:32 pm 
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If the locker has something like "This locker proudly sponsored by buzzaaaah" at the top, I don't see what the problem is.



I don't like it. There has to be some things that aren't sponsored. Things that we can uphold as important enough that we forgo an opportunity to turn a quick buck. In 50 years, you look at these lockers and it will be cringeworthy that Joe Citizen sponsored the n0 4 locker.


Should we cut back on Footy dept costs to keep the lockers 'clean'?

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:53 pm 
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..by memory the sponsors' name goes on the locker for good.. ..you're buying the locker, for the players to use.. ..thats basically it.. ..the names of 100+ game players would be [i assume] seperate from the sponsor.. ..no different than the sponor name/trademark on their footy boots, or a sponor logo on their jumper.. ..if the footy club, and past champions are cool with it, not sure why we aren't..

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:54 pm 
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budzy wrote:
buzzaaaah wrote:
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If the locker has something like "This locker proudly sponsored by buzzaaaah" at the top, I don't see what the problem is.



I don't like it. There has to be some things that aren't sponsored. Things that we can uphold as important enough that we forgo an opportunity to turn a quick buck. In 50 years, you look at these lockers and it will be cringeworthy that Joe Citizen sponsored the n0 4 locker.


Should we cut back on Footy dept costs to keep the lockers 'clean'?


Give me a break.
Now all of a sudden this money is vital to the football club running.
We'll lose Judd unless we sponsor the lockers :roll: :roll:

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:57 pm 
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Give me a break.
Now all of a sudden this money is vital to the football club running.
We'll lose Judd unless we sponsor the lockers :roll: :roll:


...nah, we've got Judd covered by sponsorin' twiggers' visa card..

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:00 pm 
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budzy wrote:
buzzaaaah wrote:
verbs wrote:


If the locker has something like "This locker proudly sponsored by buzzaaaah" at the top, I don't see what the problem is.



I don't like it. There has to be some things that aren't sponsored. Things that we can uphold as important enough that we forgo an opportunity to turn a quick buck. In 50 years, you look at these lockers and it will be cringeworthy that Joe Citizen sponsored the n0 4 locker.


Should we cut back on Footy dept costs to keep the lockers 'clean'?


The Spirit of Carlton has contributed more to the football department than anyone over the past couple of years.
I'd be interested to hear what the ex players think about cashed up nobodys having their names on the lockers when the players sacrifice for years to earn the privilege.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:33 pm 
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buzzaaaah wrote:
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Should we cut back on Footy dept costs to keep the lockers 'clean'?


Give me a break.
Now all of a sudden this money is vital to the football club running.
We'll lose Judd unless we sponsor the lockers :roll: :roll:


Settle down, it was just a roundabout way of saying that whatever revenue we generate goes 'somewhere' so we need every cent we can get.

:fight: :lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:36 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:

The Spirit of Carlton has contributed more to the football department than anyone over the past couple of years.
I'd be interested to hear what the ex players think about cashed up nobodys having their names on the lockers when the players sacrifice for years to earn the privilege.


wasn't this organized by the past players - certainly I heard Jimmy Buckley on SEN talking about it and he seemed more than fine with the idea.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:36 pm 
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I'd like to see one before commenting.

If it's in 12 point type on the bottom or something, I wouldn't have a problem.

But if it's anywhere near as prominent as the 100 game players, or it's designed to look like the sponsor's name is in any way linked to the player's names, I'd think that's pretty bloody tacky to be honest. And personally, if it were me, I'd feel pretty shameful having my name masquerading as a 100 gamer.

But let's see what it actually looks like first...


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:39 pm 
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I'd like to see one before commenting.

If it's in 12 point type on the bottom or something, I wouldn't have a problem.

But if it's anywhere near as prominent as the 100 game players, or it's designed to look like the sponsor's name is in any way linked to the player's names, I'd think that's pretty bloody tacky to be honest. And personally, if it were me, I'd feel pretty shameful having my name masquerading as a 100 gamer.

But let's see what it actually looks like first...


..really doubt the sponsor name would be made out to be somehow linked to the player names, or heaven forbid made out to look like an actual players.. ..that would be pretty dodgey..

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 4:24 pm 
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JohnM wrote:
I'd like to see one before commenting.

If it's in 12 point type on the bottom or something, I wouldn't have a problem.

But if it's anywhere near as prominent as the 100 game players, or it's designed to look like the sponsor's name is in any way linked to the player's names, I'd think that's pretty bloody tacky to be honest. And personally, if it were me, I'd feel pretty shameful having my name masquerading as a 100 gamer.

But let's see what it actually looks like first...



I got nothing against the sponsors as such. The club offered the deal. They didnt ask for it.
The thing is the club didnt need to. They could have offered some other sweetener. These people are generous and aren't doing it as an investments. Its love of the club.

My issue is for example the no 1 locker, with the Silvagnis and Ken hands etc. If John M pays $25k and suddenly he sponsors the locker, what does he have to do with these guys that have played since 1900. Are they now indebted to him for providing their locker.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 5:13 pm 
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[/quote]

I don't like it. There has to be some things that aren't sponsored. Things that we can uphold as important enough that we forgo an opportunity to turn a quick buck. In 50 years, you look at these lockers and it will be cringeworthy that Joe Citizen sponsored the n0 4 locker.[/quote]

Should we cut back on Footy dept costs to keep the lockers 'clean'?[/quote]

Give me a break.
Now all of a sudden this money is vital to the football club running.
We'll lose Judd unless we sponsor the lockers :roll: :roll:[/quote]

:screwy: :screwy: :screwy: :screwy: :screwy:

The money the footy dept could spend for small gains to the playing group is almost endless.
Carlton's budget would be tiny compared to big Euro and US sporting teams.
Collingwood recently spent 100k on 30 machines to aid recovery. These machines are common in the EPL and American sports.
AFIK we don't have them yet (West Coast were also looking into them)
We know specifically fitted chartered jets flying at low altitude aid recovery and have also been used by the Pies and West Coast.

Altitude training camps, analysis software, international recruiting all cost money.
There will always be new sports technology available to help give teams advantages and they are all going to cost money.

While AFL clubs have been "precious" regarding clash strips EPL clubs has embraced as a way of generating extra income through merchandise sales.

Now most posters want to be "precious" regarding lockers.
This club was basically broke just a very few years ago and now you are criticizing the marketing dept for innovative ways of generating $. How short memories can be in prosperous times.

Do you all think that Swanny can sit on his ass without a care in the world re $ now that Pratt (with the help of members and sponsors) has helped the club recover ?

Maybe you think that Pratt's money will put us at the top for eternity.

The powerhouse clubs will always be those with the biggest budgets.

Do we want the CFC to be a powerhouse club and support it in generating as much money as it can, or would you prefer to keep small traditions and deny the club the opportunity to be the best "football business" it can be ?

If we don't keep moving forward we will move backwards again.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:13 pm 
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buzzaaaah wrote:

My issue is for example the no 1 locker, with the Silvagnis and Ken hands etc. If John M pays $25k and suddenly he sponsors the locker, what does he have to do with these guys that have played since 1900. Are they now indebted to him for providing their locker.


..that's the whole point, it's just a sponsor name on a locker.. ..it's got nothing to do with past, present and future player names on it, nor are said players indebted to anything.. ..unless our players are waking up everyday thanking hyundai and tourism malaysia etc etc..

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 11:33 pm 
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i could be wrong, but i got the impression that they bought the locker door?

rather than sponsor it, they actually bought the door, something to hang up in their pool room etc..

and with the new facilities, new doors etc..???

im pretty sure thats what i heard on the radio this morning on SEN when Buckley was talkin about it.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 11:17 am 
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like I said - its the old lockers - unless there are 2 things happening - selling the old lockers and sponsors for the new lockers - @#$%&! Carlton - always double dipping :grin:

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:57 am 
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Feedback from the club as promised.

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Dear DUC

Thankyou for contacting the Carlton Football Club.

The Blue Believer Program was introduced to assist raise funds for the vital redevelopment at Visy Park. The redevelopment will provide outstanding facilities for the Carlton players and will add to the development of the players, as individuals and as a team. It is certainly a much needed improvement and one that will also benefit all areas of the club as well as the community through the facitlities that will be available.

Supporters who donate $25 to the Blue Believer Program will have their name included on an honour board in the new facilities. As part of the program supporters who donated $25,000 toward the fundraising for the new facilities became Platinum Blue Believers. Part of the acknowledgement for this donation includes the donors name appearing on a player locker in the facilities. The name will be on the locker but will be separate to the names of the players who feature on the locker having played 100 or more games for Carlton. Thus while the name will be on the locker, it will be separate to the names of the players and coaches who are acknowldeged for their on-field contributions for the Carlton Football Club in our long and proud history.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:43 pm 
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Well geez....for $25k you'd think they'd be happy with a keyring,or one of those little stick on your car window Captain Carltons. :sad:

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 3:39 pm 
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verbs wrote:
Does anyone actually know how it will appear on the locker?

Until the specifics are known by the general public, it's hard to make much comment.



Hard to make a comment? Gee Verbs, top, bottom, beneath players names it's all bad. This is one of the clubs poorest efforts to raise money. It's amazing that most posters here have more attachment to preserving those lockers for Carlton greats than the club administration itself. Very disappointing news. Spits in the face of every 100+ player's hard work and the club's own heritage.

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