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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 11:11 pm 
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if we do drop him, can he be rookie listed???

could be an option as from the outside looking in, he has tremendous upside & seems to be very coachable...


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 11:30 pm 
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You'd reckon at least 6 to 8 players will get cut from our senior list at the end of the season. We've got to keep turning our list over...

There's a lot of water to go under the bridge before list lodgement time - but it's hard to see AB, Banno, Harts and Jake being there next year. The likes of Cloke, Fisher, Hadley and Wiggo will come under close scrutiny too - but it's likely to be one of those years where some tough decisions are going to be made on some decent players.

My point is that guys like Joey and Browne (the 2 best players on the ground for the Bullants on Saturday, by the way), who ideally you'd like to persist with for at least another year, might be the victim of being at the wrong club at the wrong time. That's not to say that they won't get an opportunity at another club...

I'll throw a beer over Ratten if we cut Browne.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 11:34 pm 
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I cry at the short sighted vision questioning the worth of Andersen. Joey Andersen has a role at Carlton and you would delist 10 players before him and give him the extra year or two to develop his disposal because

a) we need to develop replacements for Houlihan, Scotland, Stevens as running half back flankers
b) he has all the ball getting ability, pace but extra toughness than these guys.
c) Given his age he is a better footballer than Bannister, Edwardes, Wiggins, Cloke, Hartlett, Bentley, (there's six off the top).
d) Massive upside & at number 68 pick you have to give him the extra year.
e) Could he be developed as an in and under midfielder to replace Hadley. Same build and ball getting ability?
f) He stamps himself on bullants games in a way that Hartlett, Edwardes and others don't. You get a feeling he is only a season away from really clicking
g) He would be picked up by another club in a flash which is evidence of his value
h) Never had the opportunities of others. The MC need to give him 6 games on end in the seniors


Spot on :thumbsup:

Has massive upside IMO

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 11:59 pm 
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Kouta wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
Hadley will come under close scrutiny
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:sly:

Haddles up and running is a very dangerous weapon and key part of our side.
He is safe as houses

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:02 am 
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marciblue wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
I cry at the short sighted vision questioning the worth of Andersen. Joey Andersen has a role at Carlton and you would delist 10 players before him and give him the extra year or two to develop his disposal because

a) we need to develop replacements for Houlihan, Scotland, Stevens as running half back flankers
b) he has all the ball getting ability, pace but extra toughness than these guys.
c) Given his age he is a better footballer than Bannister, Edwardes, Wiggins, Cloke, Hartlett, Bentley, (there's six off the top).
d) Massive upside & at number 68 pick you have to give him the extra year.
e) Could he be developed as an in and under midfielder to replace Hadley. Same build and ball getting ability?
f) He stamps himself on bullants games in a way that Hartlett, Edwardes and others don't. You get a feeling he is only a season away from really clicking
g) He would be picked up by another club in a flash which is evidence of his value
h) Never had the opportunities of others. The MC need to give him 6 games on end in the seniors


Spot on :thumbsup:

Has massive upside IMO


Brilliant post. Really hasn't had the opportunities others have had. No ones fault, has been injured at times when he was looking like getting a regular game etc. But seriously.. so much potential and still so young. A lot of players I'd delist before him

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:19 pm 
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Joey definitely gets another year. Doesn't have trade value, and we will be light on medium defenders/midfielders after culling the likes of Bentley, Bentick, Pfeiffer and Bannister.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:23 pm 
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I believe that Joey has another year on his contract?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:49 pm 
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We should definately keep him on the list. He's a handy player, just needs to have a good run without injury once he breaks into the team again. At the moment he's a handy backup player to have on the list anyway nearing season's end, you never know what may happen.

stubba wrote:
Definitely part of our future. It would be madness to lose him. He was desperately unlucky to not play more of this season IMO. Injured when he got his chance. I will never forget his courage last year running into the hole in front of Brown and taking one hell of a gutsy mark.


My avatar may remind you of this exact mark :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:06 pm 
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whilst there is obvious talent there, we have minimum of 3 draft picks to come in and a mininum of 2 rookie elevations in Joseph and Jacobs. That is assuming Garlett is happy to stay on the rookie list for another year and we don't want to use any more than 3 draft picks nor trade any players in.

5 changes. Bentick, Cloke, Hartlett, and Edwards would be the only definite OUTs in my opinion. someone is going to be stiff. Perhaps Chris Johnson gets the big A... but he is surely contracted as well.

Candidates for the last one (assuming its the minimum of 5 changes)
These candidates I suggest have been on list over 2 seasons and have not secured their place

Ando
Austin
Brown
Grigg
Wiggins
Fisher

One of them has to go whether we like it or not

my personal rating (best to worst) would be

Grigg
Brown
Austin
Wiggins
Ando
Fisher

I believe Fish is contracted and maybe because of where they are at in the careers Ando and Wiggo could swap around. either way if it was to be Wiggo or Ando, they are dead set unlucky to go. If I had the final say, it would be Fisher but I just think contract status saves him. This part of the job would be so bloody hard.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:24 pm 
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Rookies Promoted: Aaron Joseph, Sam Jacobs, Jeff Garlett
Rookies Retained: Lachlan Hill, Darren Pfeiffer, Luke Stanton
Delisted: Jake Edwards, Adam Bentick, Jordan Bannister, Cameron Cloke, Adam Hartlett, Simon Wiggins.
Re-signed: Setanta O'hAilpin (2 years), Richard Hadley (1 year), Steven Browne (2 years, if not traded).

That gives us 3 roster openings as well as allowing for 5 rookies to be added to the list without trades.

As much as people want to keep our draft picks this season I really feel that Carlton should trade them IF they get good value in return. We're at a stage in our development where we are very close to being able to take the next step. If we had to trade say a depth/developmental player (say a Grigg or a Browne) and our first round pick to secure a young gun player such as Travis Boak from Port Power then I'd do it. I'd also trade our second and third round selections if we could secure a player who would be an immediate selection into our best 18 and is young enough to be a long-term solution.

Anderson is definitely a part of Carlton's future. I believe he can become a heck of a player in a year or two. I would not give up on him. In fact, I'd be extending his contract a further year or two when he comes up for re-signing next year. Note that the only players competing with him at his position that are younger are Browne and potentially Rhys O'Keeffe. The only players on our list younger than him getting a regular game are Gibbs, Kreuz, Robbo and AJ (two of them were the #1 picks in the draft!)


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:33 pm 
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please don't call it a roster :banghead:

Ytoojae, carlton has to utilise a minimum have 3 draft picks in the National Draft. This is an AFL rule. No way around it. On occasions teams have delisted and then redrafted someone to get around it, but of course you run the risk of another club selecting your man and there is nothing you can do about it

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:44 pm 
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I think that joey is defininetly apart of our future club structure.

Unfortunately for joey army and he are fighting for the same spot.

If the whisper is true that army has done his ankle then ando must come in and take this golden oppurtunity with both hands.

Really rate joey his attack,courage and willingness 2 run and carry are some great qualities 2 have.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:10 pm 
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Ytoojae wrote:
Rookies Promoted: Aaron Joseph, Sam Jacobs, Jeff Garlett
Rookies Retained: Lachlan Hill, Darren Pfeiffer, Luke Stanton
Delisted: Jake Edwards, Adam Bentick, Jordan Bannister, Cameron Cloke, Adam Hartlett, Simon Wiggins.
Re-signed: Setanta O'hAilpin (2 years), Richard Hadley (1 year), Steven Browne (2 years, if not traded).

That gives us 3 roster openings as well as allowing for 5 rookies to be added to the list without trades.

As much as people want to keep our draft picks this season I really feel that Carlton should trade them IF they get good value in return. We're at a stage in our development where we are very close to being able to take the next step. If we had to trade say a depth/developmental player (say a Grigg or a Browne) and our first round pick to secure a young gun player such as Travis Boak from Port Power then I'd do it. I'd also trade our second and third round selections if we could secure a player who would be an immediate selection into our best 18 and is young enough to be a long-term solution.

Anderson is definitely a part of Carlton's future. I believe he can become a heck of a player in a year or two. I would not give up on him. In fact, I'd be extending his contract a further year or two when he comes up for re-signing next year. Note that the only players competing with him at his position that are younger are Browne and potentially Rhys O'Keeffe. The only players on our list younger than him getting a regular game are Gibbs, Kreuz, Robbo and AJ (two of them were the #1 picks in the draft!)

There is no need to promote Garlett yet, he can be a nominated rookie next year. I dont think there will be too many changes to our list this year.


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