So just say come the end of 2010 and this team has not improved and he decision is made to move Ratts on, does that mean those who appointed him should step away from the club too?

'snip'. You sit on this site like some sort of poor mans Stadler & Waldorf and yet you really offer nothing to back up your bullsh^t rhetoric

Does that mean the voters who put them in to start with should never vote again.

Oh now im upset!!!!

Which bit needs backup?????

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Not everybody is responsible cheese.....
Remember people have voted for Sticks even though he has backed alot of the wrong presidents who have been given the heave ho themselves...

The only man to back a heap of failed presidents in campaigns and still be around....

either says something aabout the voter... or something about sticks... to me it says something about both things...

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Happy to see Kernahan see out the season. But if he doesn't do the right thing and actively seek out a better option at year's end, I'll be very disappointed.

The fact that whenever there's an informal President's meeting about an issue (such as stadium deals) and the Bulldogs send their President, and Collingwood and Essendon* and Hawthorn send their Presidents, and we send Greg Swann... should tell you all you need to know about Sticks' capabilities.

Great players don't always make great coaches.
Great onfield leaders don't always make great off-field leaders.

It's about time all Carlton people (including the well-meaning old ducks in the social club) saw Sticks as a great ex-player, a great ex-captain, but simply not good enough to be an effective club President.

That doesn't mean being disloyal to the man, or sullying his reputation, or any crap like that. But as Harry Callahan once said... "a man's gotta know his limitations."

JohnM, very well put. It is just a pity that the same arguements were put by many of us 6 years ago and we find nothing has changed.

Sticks is no better qualified now than he was then. As the former Chairman of Selectors and Elliotts right hand man, a large part of our woes can be sheeted home to him.Where is the depth that should have been in place then?

Additionally do any of us have any confidence that Sticks is equiped to deal with the myriad of strategic issues that are required of a Chairman?

And finally what the hell is a CHAIRMAN doing week in week out in the Coaches box & in the huddles etc. I cannot but be reminded of that bloke in "The Club".

Great Carlton man no doubt, but Chairman? God give me strength!

Agreed....

I love Sticks to bits as a Carlton man... Had his number on the back of my Carlton guernsey as a teenager in the 90s... However, as stated many times before, great on field leaders and legendary players don't necessarily make great coaches or football administrators...

Seasons end is a perfect time for Sticks to step aside as President and appoint someone who has a great business nouse and a vision for the Club going forward that isnt just following other's instructions. I've had enough of the 'jobs for the boys' aura that surround Sticks's decision making... Time for someone with the balls and the courage to make the hard calls to step in..

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Lets just say for the sake of the discussion I agree which clearly I don't but who is on your list of suitable replacements.

Im sure if a figure like Mike Fitzpatrick came along Sticks would step aside.

I think our club needs to inject some smart footy figures who have there finger on the pulse with the latest footy trends and are able to continually evolve and be the next step ahead......... thats why we got Swanny, he came from a club who not afraid to do things different.

I love that some of our past champs have come back to help out but there is so much they can offer. These guys come from a period where football was simple. Its not so simple now, its forever changing and like Adam Simpson said last night you take your eye of it for five minutes and the game has passed you.

Figures like a Mike Fitzpatrick understand the football (business) environment today. Just like a Eddie McGuire, Brian Cooke or Ian Robson.

Paul Roos, Neil Craig, Ross Lyon, Nathan Buckley, John Worfold and Clarkson are always thinking ahead. The continually evolve with the game, the understand the current trends and they predict the next.

Its my feeling that Sticks, Braddles, Diesel, Browne, Gleeson (who play a major role with the decisions at our club) are not the types that are one step ahead. Thank Pratt we have Greg Swann onboard or good knows where this club could be right now.

Its clear that Ratten is struggling right now. If he struggles with some of the simpler things then how is he going to go orchestrating our 17th?

For president???

There are people that are being chased but wont get a look in.....

Swann himself has enquired about particular people(from what i understand) and the door has been bolted shut...

People on the board dont want new people coming in....... they like the status quo...

I can give names but i wont as yet....

And nobody will put their hand up and run against Sticks unless the place falls away.... and then as we ALL know... when that happens... people have a tendency of disappearing...history shows this....

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Mike Fitzpatrick, who hates the way the modern game is played.

If you are going to argue Fitzy coming on board, don't let it be based on football nous because his footballing knowledge shouldn't coming into play.

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

Sticks is very much aware that our coaching staff needs to improve. Have also heard that he is none too happy about the lack of creativity on game day coming from within the box.

Will be interesting to see what happens if we continue to be reactive and stagnant as far as on-field moves go.

I like pink.

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OMG i better not

Sticks was one of the masterminds behind our era defining recruiting between 1999-2001, getting O'Reilly and Mansfield, Murph back and Corey McKernan. Stupid short sighted decisions.

In terms of football smarts off the field, I wouldn't trust his judgement as far as I could throw him. We need to get a legitimate professional, not a man (who as Synbad said) has more sides than, something with many sides.

This applies to all roles in the club, things need to be reviewed with a critical eye to ensure we don't stuff up the opportunity of getting number 17 before it is too late.

IMO you're underestimating the Elliott influence "Carlton doesn't rebuild...", bs bs bs
Seems to me it was Elliott's insistence rather than Sticks or Parko.

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I'm sure Elliott was a driving force here, but Parkin was singing from the same hymn book, and Brittain was either in agreement or was in a position of weakness as a no-name coach to stand up to the pressure. Either way, the rot had set in well and truly by the late 90s, I'd say even from the mid-90s. We were lucky we had a gun team that won a flag, but certainly winning in 95 entrenched some bad habits and lazy thinking.

Agreed Aramari but also think all employees of the club would have been in a position of weakness after Elliott and his cohorts on the board locked the club in with a series of provocative and arrogant public statements that "Carlton doesn't rebuild!" Elliott treated the club as his personal fiefdom like his business interests by all accounts.

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melvey funny you mention brian cook. i know FOR A FACT he wanted to come to carlton and run them when he left WCE for GEEL. maybe now that he's done he's job at geelong (as good a job as he did at WCE mind you) maybe he's the man for Carlton. I also know there's a couple boys on the board who have their eyes on the presidency.
I always secretly hoped that Ahmed Fakour would be interested in the post (former CEO of NAB and mad carlton man) but ive recently heard he is now the CEO of the Arab Bank!!!! in other words he's in charge of the most amount of money in the world pretty much, so somehow i cant see him squeezing in a carlton presidency in between meetings with sheiks.