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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 9:39 am 
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Its funny this picture comes out after last years game when it was reported somebody from the eagles said to Judd your shoulders are stuffed and Judd's reply was "I had to carry you blokes for 5 years"

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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 9:43 am 
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Its funny this picture comes out after last years game when it was reported somebody from the eagles said to Judd your shoulders are stuffed and Judd's reply was "I had to carry you blokes for 5 years"

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No matter which team Juddy plays for, he would be carrying blokes on the back of his abilities.

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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 9:47 am 
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Best article I have read in a long long time! :clap:


"Other than the skipper, none of them have made a name for themselves when it counts — September. Nick Stevens, Heath Scotland, Ryan Houlihan, Bret Thornton and Brendan Fevola have been around for a long time, but all will be quickly forgotten. Over the past seven seasons, none has ever consistently made an impression. Surely they realise time is running out.

Is the group prepared to dedicate itself to be the best that it can be? History would say no. Too many indiscretions for too long and still Carlton names in the news for wrong reasons. Being well paid and representing a high-profile, successful club has its advantages. But how many of the current players helped build the high profile and success?"



This bit is right on the money. Wallsy is a smart football person who knows (and loves) the football club and its history. The bonus is he is not so close as to make decisions based on personal bias.

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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 9:50 am 
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I agree with almost everything he wrote in that article. Especially giving Judd a chop out.

But they shouldn't need something like this to fire them up for this weeks game. They need to maintain it consistently over the whole season. A win tonight should be a given with or without an someone to fire them up.


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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 10:03 am 
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This is a great day IMO..

Both the age and the hun are having goes at the club and individual players.

Were going to thrash the eagles by 100 points tonight and then play like retards the week after...


We shouldn't have to be "shamed" into performing. A big "we'll show 'em" win tonight will mean stuff all unless there is a sustained turn around, starting with the Lions at the Gabba.


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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 10:04 am 
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Have a feeling that the coaching staff's method of finding ways to help Judd, based on the handling of finding people to help Fev, would be to not play Judd for 4 weeks...

"We'll just see how it goes"

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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 10:07 am 
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Both BT and Billy Brownless had cracks at Ratten.

BT on League teams questioned the game plan and how you a senior coach could get it so wrong

Brownless on the footy said 'i'll give brett Ratten a tip, play fev at full forward'

Nice!


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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 10:09 am 
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.. ..there's alot to like about the article, serious questions need to be asked and it's high-time we stopped bein' so favourably biased towards the high picks and favoured sons of our club.. ..by all means support (not denigrate) but some tough love never went astray either..

..very significant to note that both Murph and Krooz weren't included, although Gibbs was included amongst those riding the coat-tails of el capitan.. ..with Gibbs it's partly how he's being used, but also partly himself.. ..he doesn't seem to challenge himself enough on field with taking risks.. ..i know we all cheer his poise, but he needs to get some real, honest urgency into his game as well..

..Stevo we all know about, and love him or hate him we all need to recognise that he'd be starting the slow downslide of capability as he's getting older, and the neck injury as well means he's not goin' to be carrying the team.. ..he'll be good, but week in week out he'll be better as they're all contributing..

..Hoops i reckon he was spot on with.. ..i reckon he does put his body on the line, but he's not an archer type player by any stretch of the imagination.. ..he needs to play mostly forward of center, why we continue to play a few players out of position has me well and truely baffled.. ....and Fev definately needs to get what-ever issues in his life either sorted, by to 'grow-up' and learn to be able to cope/deal with issues and still function.. ..and if it means goin' booze free for the season then club leaders (on and off field) need to set him straight..

..for far too long the team has relied on a few players to get them over the line.. ..at times it's been Fev or Stevens, and neither could do it for sustained periods.. ..Judd as good as he is will struggle week in, week out month after month unless more play with real heart.. ..he's lucky that Murphos is showing genuine #1 cred (could argue that murphy has lived up to his selection every year actually)..

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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 10:11 am 
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The sad thing is that we need a pasting from the media to fire us up........... this club is going backwards


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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 10:16 am 
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We were pasted prior to the Freo game [Wallsy bottom 6] and still lost.

BT on AFL Teams - which not too many people watch thru lack of Foxtel and Billy Brainless who not many people listen to because he is just that, Brainless, isn't a pasting.

BTW is pasting a word? :razz:

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and moreover what is the past tense of pasting?

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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 10:22 am 
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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 10:44 am 
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Liked the article. Spot on IMO.

I think the clubs biggest problem, is helping Judd. They need to ensure someone sacrifices their game, and takes out Judd's tagger every week. Tag the tagger.

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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 10:47 am 
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On Fox League teams last night BT said that "Carlton has no presence" to which everyone on the panel agreed. BT also said "teams don't fear playing Carlton, they have no fear about them and no mongrel".

This is so true. People have been saying this since last year hoping Cloke would come good as his only asset he has is 'mogrel'.


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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 10:50 am 
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That's a fair call, just look back to say 87 (Rhys Jones) or 95 (Mad Dog Brown).

You need a mongrel or two.

Port are copping it for being like that too. They got Carr back but he's been shite.

Need a good dose of HTFU and smash blokes installed....

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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 10:58 am 
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That's a fair call, just look back to say 87 (Rhys Jones) or 95 (Mad Dog Brown).

You need a mongrel or two.


Thats what they said, since the days of Browne and Diesel they can't remember a Carlton team with presence and mongrel.


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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 10:59 am 
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Normally when newspapers create 'humorous' digital images, they're anything but. But that one's actually pretty funny. Fev especially - he looks like an evil bobble-head leprechaun.


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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 11:03 am 
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sjabc wrote:
That's a fair call, just look back to say 87 (Rhys Jones) or 95 (Mad Dog Brown).

You need a mongrel or two.

Port are copping it for being like that too. They got Carr back but he's been shite.

Need a good dose of HTFU and smash blokes installed....



Bannister? Hartlett? Guys like Ellard and Joey are hard, tough players as well but need time in the seniors to make their mark.

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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 11:21 am 
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I am really glad to see someone who has the ability to write in the media giving it to the players .... if this does not fire them up nothing will.



Not sure the boys read The Age - especially on game day.

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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 11:43 am 
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Not sure the boys read The Age - especially on game day.


If I were the coach, I'd make sure they read it.

As for Bret Thornton down forward, it's not a silly idea at all.. I've been going to enough training sessions to see that Thornton takes his goalkicking practice very seriously. Sometimes a bit too seriously for his teammates, who only see him as a defender. He can be a better defender...if he grasped the modern game a bit better - Austin and Kreuzer are natural forwards who if developed properly will be very effective.

What some, including Walls don't see is the frightening statistic that reads there are 27 players on the Carlton list who fall under the 'development' umbrella. Whether that number is too large, whether it could have been avoided due to personnel on the list or recruiting methodology is perhaps just as pertinent a question as to asking when will Carlton arrive?


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