Pros:

- bower showed good timing, positioning etc. tried to provide run and did ok at that too. wish he'd hit the hot spot with 20 secs left in 3rd instead of squaring but that's modern footy
- browne was composed, organised and generally showed good decision-making
- stevo was only effective mid over 4 qtrs but as jars said, too many costly limp wristed handballs
- kruezer tried hard and again showed he has a great footy brain. looked very tired in patches and fumbled uncharacteristically
- thornton did ok up forward. hate those slow, high passes of his!!
- joseph tried hard and did his job on mcleod
- yarran's class

Cons:

- russell was terrible. had 5 kicked on him apart from his numerous blunders
- gibbs was awful and that effort in the last qtr when he was running onto the bouncing ball should get a good run on bog footy
- army had one of those days, but still had the spunk to keep persisting (tony shaw kept pouncing on him and even stated that army is slow )
- structure was diabolical and as lynch said it's an indictment for carlton to be soundly beaten by structure rather than personnel
- who the hell decided that wiggins would a good replacement for scotland? chief struggled again but did impose himself physically a bit at the centre square during our 15 mins purple patch
- team's intensity
- hadley ... just too slow

we were taught a lesson in hard footy by a well-drilled side who goes into games against us with a lot of confidence that their methods will be too much for us. their mids killed us! they were even sharking many of hampson's taps!!

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PROS

Stevens - the only mid to perform, great effort
Austin - Was calm in the first half, fell away badly in the 2nd half
Bower - kept us alive early
Hampson - Worked hard
Kreuz - worked hard
Joseph - good job on McLeod
Fev - had a good game except for missing about 4 gettable shots from same spot

CONS

Almost everyone in the first half - smashed by a hungry team
Ratten - tough when the team's asleep but allowed our structure to fall apart for too long
Judd - worst game this year by a mile, maybe worst for Carlton
Armfield - I counted 1 effective disposal. Has a go but not AFL
Gibbs - Awful - turnover city
Russell -
Waite - fingers crossed - only hope is he didn't twist the knee laterally
Yarran - did some nice things and will be good but in the first half jogged around watching life passing him by
Wiggins - we missed Scotland and Wiggins tried but gave very little

Cons

Side is shocking mentally - so fragile when Adelaide kicked first 2 goals in the first quarter GONE

We dont play well interstate and needs to be rectified immediately

the crap that was served up in the first half would have got pagan sacked - no goals in first half deplorable

The lack of intensity at the start of interstate matches alarming - coach needs to rectify immediately

INCONSISTENCY TERRIBLE -We will beat the coasters next week but lose to Brisbane - we were beat up on the crap team west coast and then when real challenge the weak after

Not acceptable skill level deplorable -stupid hanballs to a player in a WORSE situation
Fumbling - clean ball movement non existent


Dont desreve the support after such a woeful performance -first Adelaide win in adelaide this season

Really need a lot of sole searching -apart from Hawthorn game and dogs game -havent really played well since second round

As always we never beat sydney hawthorn or adelaide - cant ever work through the zone and its about time we did - running out of excuses this season

4/5 AFTER 9 ROUNDS PARTICULARLY POOR When we havent played either of the top teams

About time the Coach got this team up interstate -what is he doing -any danger of kicking goals in first quarter of an interstate match -DO SOMETHING

Disgrace. Simple as that. However, for most of you that watched, i'd assume you had the same feeling as me that we could always come back and win that game until about 8 minutes left in that last quarter. I will not settle for this we are not good enough. We are good enough. But we are mentally soft and if we think (Ratten and the players) that we have some stars in the side so it will just happen they better pull their finger out real quick. We dont run hard. We dont think. We make school boy errors.

We need to put the responsibility on guys like Fevola. He is paid to kick goals. He didn't. I dont care if he chased and 'looked positive'. You're on the big bucks, so when its your turn to kick em you kick em.

Stevens: Sure he got a lot of it. But i also saw him not willing to take a hit and feed a quick hand ball off to a young player that was caught and dumped. Show some bloody leadership and take a hit. TAKE ON THE RESPONSIBILITY OF BEING A LEADER!!!!

GIBBS: made a few errors early and clearly went into his shell. I wonder how many of our so called leaders went up to him and got in his ear. I didn't see it happen on the ground.

Armfield: BAD BAD BAD. No excuses for the amount of times he turned the ball over on his left. If you cant kick on your wrong foot at this level, you''re a liability!

Wiggins: Was he playing the first 3 quarters? Did he actually contribute anything positive to the team today?
Aussie- excellent, Bower- Sensational. Worked well together.


Bottom line: If we're not willing to work hard off the ball and run like hell when we do have it then there's no point turning up. Adelaide work so hard and run together and run bloody hard. And when they turn it over, they dont lie on the ground (Nick Stevens) and watch the ball rebound the other way, they get up and chase.

WE ARE BETTER THAN THIS.

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Loooook OUT!

Pros:

Bower: Top game under enormous seige. We have found a good defender.
Austin: Played well, still developing but showed some really good close checking and defending
Kreuzer: We rely too much on this guy, he carried us in the ruck and up forward - STAR in the making
AJ: Top effort on Mcleod

Cons:
Ratten too slow to make moves in the box, poor forward set up in 1st qtr
Worst game of the year from the team
Fox sports commentary - WORST EVER - ALL OF THEM
Some players futures were decided today in my opinion.
Gibbs - worst game for the club
Waite's injury

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For some silly reason, you people want to assassinate him, and it's just rubbish. You people. All of you, ALL of you!

We are not a bad team. But we play a very bad brand of football.

Look at Adelaide's team against ours on paper. I'm no sugar coater.......but our list craps on theirs

People that whinge about which players we need in the team are delusional. Warnock, Walker, Grigg......WHATEVER! It would be swinging the deck chairs on the Titanic. The way we play football it wouldn't matter.

What would help is if they put the goals on the wing's boundary line. We'd finish the year 22-0.

It's heartbreaking the rubbish that was served up today...but all too predictable - we don't beat teams that structure up well.

PROS

1. Stevens - great game

2. Paul Bower - great month!

3. Hammer looked alright

4. We know who Jordan Russel's opponent was so people can't ridiculously claim 'he beats his man every week'.

5. Didn't have to go to watch that rubbish

CONS

1. WHY DO WE PLAY ALONG THE BOUNDARY INTENTIONALLY!!!!!!!!!!!! We had a run on in the 3rd quarter. I've never seen a team stop their momentum intentionally, but we did. 2 consecutive slow plays along the boundary when we're killing them, then they kick a goal. ENOUGH!!!!!

2. The kickouts are becoming infuriating. A whole month of chips sideways then long bombs to the flank. It's driving me insane....clinically insane. Then we kick a point and our zone gets picked apart like a carcass.....and I need a straightjacket!!!!!!

3. If we want to not protect Judd and not use him to our best advantage, days like today will happen.

4. Poor Waitey, just after I declared him A grade last week. Hurts.

5. Armfield can have a rest, Russel should've had a rest 3 years ago but will break Jimmy Stynes' record of 244 straight.



I watched a Carlton team make a Grand Final with Mark Athorn and Tim Powell. We don't have 2 players that bad in today's team but we served up something worse than some of the Pagan Era games.

I will say it till I'm Blue in the face (not just the heart) - WE HAVE THE TALENT

So frustrating.

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Pros:

1. Finals are now completely out of the question, so can focus on building for next year
2. Geelong are so far ahead, it doesn't really matter if we play finals this year....

Kruizer and Stevens are the only ones who fired a shot today....

Cons: ....... Embarrassing........

All the Adelaide fans near me were happy to see Browne get the ball, turned it over nearly everytime. I have a lot of time for him, tough player, what we need but he was not a Pro today...

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Feelgood Hit of the Winter - GHRP-2, GHRP-6, CJC-1295, AOD-9604, Humanofort and Hexarelin

What a load of crap. Really. Finals are completely out of the question at 4 and 5? No hope at all? It's such a massive chasm. How can it possibly be overcome? The players must be devestated to realise they now have NO hope of finals.

Wonder what draft pick we might get.

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Crows people have been venting like us for the past month at how poor their team is.

Shows things can be turned around. That first half was as good as a team could play.

We will learn a lot from todays game.

This get said every week, yet week after week the same players run out.... We seem to have learned nothing. Going backwards. Nothing coming up from below. Gold Coast would beat us at the moment and they are a team of 17 year olds......

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when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth

Feelgood Hit of the Winter - GHRP-2, GHRP-6, CJC-1295, AOD-9604, Humanofort and Hexarelin

load of crap??????

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when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth

Feelgood Hit of the Winter - GHRP-2, GHRP-6, CJC-1295, AOD-9604, Humanofort and Hexarelin

The style of football we play has me pulling my hair out.

I come on TC after a loss to calm myself down.

Somebody explain this madness to me. Please!

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CON

6. What happened to easing Kreuzer into AFL footy! The kid is a gun but we are running him into the ground!

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They will know that they've been playing against the famous old dark blues

Before you tackle the hard questions, you'll need to figure this out, blindfolded and drunk

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#GUILTY

What structure?

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"I had to eat"

I hear you, but enough is enough - we didn't recruit Judd to play along side d grade players. If the club are fair dinkum about making and winning finals, then decisions need to be made immediately.

Just as guttered today as I was against the dawks.

Game plan is a huge CON - don't like the stop start approach. Cannot get through 18 man zones - same issues as the past couple of years - back to the drawing board MC.

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For some silly reason, you people want to assassinate him, and it's just rubbish. You people. All of you, ALL of you!

a) he's too good for his own good...hard to drop him back to the 2's

b) with Sauce and Warnock injured the help he needs is a bit thin on the ground.

Pros
- Bower. Coming along very nicely.
- Browne. Have liked him since his day 1. Good player.
- Stevens.
- Jamo
- Joseph. Did well on McLeod
- Yarran. Oozes class and will be a gem.
- Austin in the first half. Should develop into a solid defender.
- Krueze
- Murph in the 2nd half.

Cons
- Waites injury
- overall team effort in 1st half.
- Judd and Gibbs very poor.
- Fev needs to kick straight
- Armfield. Love his dash and endeavour but not AFL standard.
- Russell and Wiggins. Both "bottom six" players that need to do more.

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There is no footy god

I was Brett Ratten's biggest fan as a player and his love for the carlton football club cannot be questioned....so I am begging him in the interest of the club he loves so much to please, please, please fall on his own sword at the end of this year !

I won't individualise today because I don't think it would have made a difference if we had kernahan, williams, bradley, sos and ratten (circa '95) playing today !

sticks would have been on the half back flank looking for kicks or leading to the wing, bradley would have been chipping the ball along the boundary line, rats and diesel would have been winning the ball and bombing it into a congested forwardline while SOS would have been taking the kick outs to a contest on the 50-m boundary line under instruction !

Cons:

1. why do we have no kick out strategy other than chipping it 15 m into the back pocket, followed by either another chip which is followed by a bomb to a contest on the wing ????

2. why do we never ever direct structured play towards the corridor except in such a panicky way that it inevitably leads to armfield resembling a chicken withouit his head on ????

3. why have we lauded ratten the last two weeks for devising a forward structure which involves taking your prime attacking option out of the forwardline ? Ingenious !!!!!!

4. why do we allow other teams space and time in the middle of the ground to redirect their forward thrusts ?

5. Has Brett Ratten ever heard of a corridor ?

6. Why do we conitnue to allow C Judd to be mauled at every contest, refusing to implement any strategy to block for, or protect, him ???

Dick Pratt's (RIP) philosophy was get the best person for each position....let's ask ourselves honestly ....is Brett Ratten that man ????

We will continue to win games this year and will continue to probably win more in the coming years as our youngsters with undeniable talent improve.........

BUT this team will never fulfill their potential while Brett Ratten is coaching !