My understanding of what Harris was saying is that Rome isn't built in a day. You can't overload players with info - just like you can't teach 3rd year university physics to most 16 year olds. He's putting the building blocks in place though. If the program works, we'll see more benefits in the coming years. If it doesn't work, Harris will leave in two years.

Its just human nature. Bad news travels faster and longer. Take a closer look at public news media for this.

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Scott, things aren't as happy as they used to be down here at the unemployment office. Joblessness is no longer just for Philosophy majors - useful people are starting to feel the pinch.

These programs should be par for the course cazzman when you consider players are full time and theres more staff than government house

Yeah, it was an OK article. But as somebody else said, i'd be pretty dissapointed if we WEREN'T running a program like this.

But, what do we have - like the 2nd youngest team in the AFL? It's hard to see the 'rewards' and 'benifits' of such a program like this mid way through a season. Stuff like this you think you'd have to address after a few years.

Take Johnson for example. WOEFULL kicking, just terrible. Hasn't immpressed me at all this year....................but i'm willing to persist with somebody like him because he is fairly new to the system.

Ditto some of the recruits from last year and even the year before.

Their skills and beliefs (in themselves and their surroundings) will (hopefully) improve in the coming years under a program such as this................IF run properly.

Easy to comment on the previous so-called development program (cause really, i doubt if there was one).
Aisakie / Norman / Davies / etc etc.............all had AMAZING talents that for whatever reason, fell way way short of realistic expectations.
But i think that was due to a contagious Disease that was surrounding the club at that point in time. A Disease that i think has left when it's carriers did.

But it seems since the introduction of Richard Pratt, an influx of positive energy and self belief have arrived at the club, thus paving the way for programs such as this to actually exsist and, quite possibly, actually work!
(The late Richard Pratt brought with him something FAR MORE VALUABALE than just his wealth! This is what i'll miss him most for)



Caz.............
I know your closly connected to the club and the young ones that it drafts, and i'm sure they are all Top Notch Kids....But................
You wear your heart on your sleeve a bit to much, which is something i actually quite admire cause it means you have passion and honesty, but you have to understand that there are always going to be critics in this forum. They have an opinion, just as you do.

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Pfft all that development - someone ought to tell the person who wrote that article we don't need development we have the Good Old Boys in the coaching box

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so this is going well

all we need is a touch of the yarran's a bit of what's the plan a snippet of JR's role and a sprinkle of the grass if always greener.

nice try Caz but hell you should know by now - we all have opinions and some opinions are louder than others.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Danny..................I'm pretty sure that ALL my points from my original post have been neatly encapsulated in the array of responses that have followed thereafter.

I surely wonder how some people drag themselves from their beds each day to face the world.



Regards Cazzesman

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Cazz

You need to understand what motivates people to post on forums. The main documented reasons are frustration, anger and fear. As these are the driving factors the posts will always lean towards the negative.

I am sure if you got a lot of these people in a room discussing the CFC the majority of the discussion would be positive.

It has been interesting for me to meet people from this site and the opinion I previously had of them is nowhere near what they are actually like. Has been an interesting experience for me and quite enlightning.

Never take what is posted on this site as a reflection of the wider supporter group!

Personally I find it all very interesting especially when people don't agree.

cj69

I post out of lurvvvvv

feel the lurvvvvvvv

oops wrong site

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

A large portion of the posts in this thread belong in Talking Issues.

Please get back on topic re the development program.

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

oops, gee aren't we developing nicely

I really like how we are developing

The young kids are coming along nicely

anyone notice how good the young kids are coming along

great development program

anyone know anything about how the kids are being developed

etc......

okay lock the thread, its all done and dusted now

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

That's the spirit dannyboy.

How long do you think players should spend in the development group before moving on to the next phase of learning?

Is someone like Browne likely to be longer or lesser than a Yarran or Garlett or a Robbo?

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

they'll all develop differently but don't tell that to anyone around here

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

I can't believe that a person like you would want to bring in negativities to a thread like this one.

Have a look above at what you've done. Now that you have all the attention very little focus is on Budzy's thread. Are you happy?

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Good point. Nothing wrong with balancing the ledger of +/- but disparaging all those that express unflattering views has a negative impact on what is usually healthy debate.

Great post CJ. Hit nail on head. I've had the same experience.

Fear...very important to consider fear.

Have a look at our memberships when we were premiers in 1995.
Now compare that to the memberships when we were wooden spooners a couple of years ago.

Tells a story. In times of need we pull together and voice our opinions and do what we can to help the club when those in charge off field have led the club to near extinction.

I remember when the board and MC were saying Pagan is on the right path but some of the posts of his performance was scathing. We all know who was right. It wasn't the sugar coaters.

There's a trust issue here and many of us are under no illusion as to what we want to achieve. And from watching the games, we are under no illusion as to what's going right and what's going wrong and what the coach has said on the record as to what his policy is for 2009.

It was off field where the damage was done to my club, by those we trusted.
All the sugar coating in the world (especially now that Pratty is not with us) will not alleviate the fear of going back there.

There's a lot of goings on off field, even with Ratts, which confuses me and moreso for some other posters, hence the issues are discussed, the confusion communicated, as they will always be moving forward till we are consistently on the top of the heap, and our club is financially free.

Keep the bastards honest. They are not above the fans. So if the fans are confused they will communicatye under such duress.

I like many other posters do not want to go back to that dark place. I want the bar high enough for us to win a flag.

This thread refers to some very positive spin about the club. It may or may not achieve results. I like it, but that's no guarantee. Now not everyone is going to fall for spin again. You just have to face that from a fan who has been bitten once and may now be twice shy to contribute to threads like these.

I'm sure there's negatives in the club which Cazz would feel strongly about, but he's in no position to contribute any negative thoughts he may have about any goings on in the club.

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I am an enthusiastic happy person Cazz who gets up early every day

There are some posters who met me a couple of years ago who were suprised at what a top bloke I was

Seriously though its good a program runs like this but i would be in horror in this modern day of footy that all clubs had such mentoring programs for the youth of the club

Its a pity that the MC in its own dysfunctional wisdom havent wielded the axe on some of our so called senior players enough to give young guys senior experience

Its great PR and thats it.

With rumors flying around about our culture and the boys being out till wee hours of the morning

Alan Richardson would have had Murphy following the lead of Didak if we had right the development program in place.

Or he could teach Stanton to beat a tagger who can't kick.

I think thats sort of the point. We haven't had those structures in place. We are coming from a long way back in terms of player development compared to some clubs.