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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 4:17 pm 
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when i saw bentley selected for the hawks game - i thought that was the plan but no

when i saw hadley reinroduced for the freo game - i thought that was the plan but no

i wonder if the MC actually see the need for a blocker/physical inside presence

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 4:18 pm 
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cj69 wrote:
Out: Stevens, Fevola, Cloke, Wiggins, Thornton
In: Robinson, Garlett, Browne, Anderson, Bannister

Line up:

CARLTON
B: Steven Browne, Paul Bower, Michael Jamison
HB: Joe Anderson, Mark Austin, Bryce Gibbs
C: Chris Judd, Richard Hadley, Dennis Armfield
HF: Chris Yarran, Jarrad Waite, Mitch Robinson
F: Jeff Garlett, Matthew Kreuzer, Eddie Betts
Foll: Shaun Hampson, Marc Murphy, Aaron Joseph
Int: Jordan Russell Heath Scotland Jordan Bannister Kade Simpson
Emerg: Shaun Grigg Adam Hartlett Greg Bentley

A side for the 'future' with some genuine speed around the flanks, run and enthusiasm and less of the dead wood.




PS Won't happen but I'd like to see it! :grin:


You say that every week.

Is Fev out injured or are we tanking again?


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 4:22 pm 
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In Bannister , Out Fevola , LMAO side for the future there


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 4:39 pm 
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In: Grigg (Browne if Grigg is unfit), Robinson
Out: Cloke, Wiggins

Move Waite forward, Austin plays back.


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 4:58 pm 
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Out

Wiggo, Cloke, Tbird, Simmo

In

Robbo, Browne, Edwards (why not? Injured still?), Garlett.



Fev and Krueze/Hampson up forward, Edwards and Russel to lead up to the wings then get it quick into the forward line, have Betts Yarran and Garlett crumbing. Collingwood has no defenders to match Fev and they lack quality small defenders.

Above I suggest dropping Tbird, this won't happen because we have no one to replace him with but I thought he was our worst player last night (yeah worse than Fev).

We need to win this and really we should, I don't see how they can beat us if we play near our best. The only thing I am worried about is Medhurst/Thomas killing us in the back half. Jamo to Medhurst, Armfield to Thomas, AJ to davis, Bower to Cloke and stick Austin on Anthony.

Will be a good win in front of 75,000.


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 5:00 pm 
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Dale wrote:
Out

Wiggo, Cloke, Tbird, Simmo

In

Robbo, Browne, Edwards (why not? Injured still?), Garlett.



Fev and Krueze/Hampson up forward, Edwards and Russel to lead up to the wings then get it quick into the forward line, have Betts Yarran and Garlett crumbing. Collingwood has no defenders to match Fev and they lack quality small defenders.

Above I suggest dropping Tbird, this won't happen because we have no one to replace him with but I thought he was our worst player last night (yeah worse than Fev).

We need to win this and really we should, I don't see how they can beat us if we play near our best. The only thing I am worried about is Medhurst/Thomas killing us in the back half. Jamo to Medhurst, Armfield to Thomas, AJ to davis, Bower to Cloke and stick Austin on Anthony.

Will be a good win in front of 75,000.



Edwards is struggling in the Bullants 2's at the moment!


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 5:00 pm 
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My changes would be:

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- Cloke
- Wiggins

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- Robinson
- Browne

I would like to see Grigg in the side if he is 100% however you'd think he'll be a little rusty and may need to return via the Bullants.
Waite to be our CHF with Austin playing in defence.

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 5:04 pm 
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cj69 wrote:
Dale wrote:
Out

Wiggo, Cloke, Tbird, Simmo

In

Robbo, Browne, Edwards (why not? Injured still?), Garlett.



Fev and Krueze/Hampson up forward, Edwards and Russel to lead up to the wings then get it quick into the forward line, have Betts Yarran and Garlett crumbing. Collingwood has no defenders to match Fev and they lack quality small defenders.

Above I suggest dropping Tbird, this won't happen because we have no one to replace him with but I thought he was our worst player last night (yeah worse than Fev).

We need to win this and really we should, I don't see how they can beat us if we play near our best. The only thing I am worried about is Medhurst/Thomas killing us in the back half. Jamo to Medhurst, Armfield to Thomas, AJ to davis, Bower to Cloke and stick Austin on Anthony.

Will be a good win in front of 75,000.



Edwards is struggling in the Bullants 2's at the moment!


Damn, I have always liked the look of Edwards. We have no other lead up forwards though. I suppose a VFL reserves lead up forward wouldn't be that much of a step down from what our half forward line has dished up the last few weeks. Maybe give Harts another chance?

Ellard isn't elevated is he?


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 5:07 pm 
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doofdoof wrote:
cj69 wrote:
Out: Stevens, Fevola, Cloke, Wiggins, Thornton
In: Robinson, Garlett, Browne, Anderson, Bannister

Line up:

CARLTON
B: Steven Browne, Paul Bower, Michael Jamison
HB: Joe Anderson, Mark Austin, Bryce Gibbs
C: Chris Judd, Richard Hadley, Dennis Armfield
HF: Chris Yarran, Jarrad Waite, Mitch Robinson
F: Jeff Garlett, Matthew Kreuzer, Eddie Betts
Foll: Shaun Hampson, Marc Murphy, Aaron Joseph
Int: Jordan Russell Heath Scotland Jordan Bannister Kade Simpson
Emerg: Shaun Grigg Adam Hartlett Greg Bentley

A side for the 'future' with some genuine speed around the flanks, run and enthusiasm and less of the dead wood.




PS Won't happen but I'd like to see it! :grin:


You say that every week.

Is Fev out injured or are we tanking again?


And I am still waiting for the MC to play the kids and get rid of the deadwood.

As for Fev IMO it would improve the side dramatically. Remember it is a team game.


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 5:09 pm 
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Who will kick our goals if Fev isnt in the side?


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 5:42 pm 
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The same people who have been kicking the rest of our goals when Fev hasnt...

They wont drop him though...


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 8:19 pm 
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do you think somehow his presence has meant that others have been able to kick goals?

look, he was obviously hampered by some sort of injury last night but he still had 4 blokes hanging off him every time the ball went in his vicinity.
what id like to know is where were our other gun forwards???
you know, the ones that will kick alllll the goals when fev is dropped?


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 8:24 pm 
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You have to play Cameron Cloke so he can belt up his brother again!!!!! :smoking:


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 9:33 pm 
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Bring out the gimp


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 9:55 pm 
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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 10:01 pm 
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OUT: Cloke, Wiggo, Hadley
IN: Fisher, Hoops, Robbo

Cloke and Wiggo need to gain form in the 2's
Fisher been good from reports, looks like he's kickin better
Hoops clean presition kicking would be handy
Hadley unlucky but need pace and grunt in Robbo

Line up:

B: Army Austin Jamo
HB: Gibbs Bower Scotland
C: Simmo Judd Waite
HF: Stevo Kreuzer Betts
F: Yarran Fev Fisher
Foll: Hammer Murph Joseph
Int: JR Robbo Hoops T-Bird

Joseph to stick with Davis
Robbo to have stints on the ball
Bower to Cloke
Jamo to Medhurst
Austin to Anthony
??? to Didak if in, prob try T-Bird

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 10:28 pm 
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OUT: Cloke Wiggins Hadley
IN: Setanta Robinson Houlihan

B: Joseph Jamison Austin
HB: Armfield Bower Thornton

C: Robinson Gibbs Scotland
R: Hampson Judd Murphy

HF: Yarran Waite Houlihan
F: Kreuzer Fevola Betts

IC: Setanta Russell Simpson Stevens

Em: Bannister Garlett Browne

Can interchange IC with Emergencies and it would make much difference.

Multi pronged attack so we can have targets when we attack forward.
Waite and Fev to change position every now and then and other tactics between the 2. Then there's Kreuzer as a deeo target when the Fev lead is a low % kick.

Hadley has been an auto pick for me till this week. He's out of form.

Houla should not have been dropped ahead of Wiggins and Cloke imo. Need some experience and goal kicking from him. I want Houla closer to goals rather than playing HF and supporting at HB.

Play players to their strength.

Hampson Kreuzer and Setanta can rotate against Fraser and Bryan with one stationed forward as the tall target (pref Kreuzer.)

Army / Joseph vs Davis / Didak

Gottta win this one for the big fella up there.

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 10:30 pm 
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The underachievers cup, and whoever loses is going to be in strife. If the Pies go down to the Saints, we might be able to put the skids under their coach with a good win.

The Pies have a lot of good medium forwards but we have handled them well in the past. Jamo should be a good match for Anthony who relies on quick leads rather than strength.

We have to play Waite forward. There is no-one else. I doubt there will be many changes this week, there's really not much to bring in.

If Cloke is not dropped there should be a Royal commission.

I'd say Cloke out definitely and might be time to give Wiggler a rest tho the coach loves him so will probably keep him in.

I'd go out Cloke to be replaced by Fish who is not great but can at least take a mark. Play him right near goals and kick it long to him one out he might take a couple of contetsted marks and they are gold.
Play Robbo ahead of Wiggler. If we are going the inexperienced route we might as well go the whole hog.

Richard Hadley, after a good start looks shot. He looks way down on pace and may unfortunately continue the traditon of swapping 50 something picks for good players debilitated by injury (hadley, Saddo, or players who aren't good enough - Chambers and a few others)

I'm a fan of HAdley but he looks so slow I'd have AB in ahead of him if fit, and I don't think AB is quite good enough. CAn't see a logical match up for HAdley.

So I'd drop him and bring in Steve Browne. I like him, unobtrusive and been okay in the Ants. Give him a run with role, maybe on O'Bree. Not sure who we play on Swan who is a gun.

Like to see Waite embarrass maxwell up forward. Big K will dominate Fraser. Hopefully good fev turns up, if he is fit. If Fev is not fit I'd play Setanta at full forward and just tell him to lead far and often to use his pace and height.

We may go in with a very inexperienced line up but I'd rather lose like that than with experienced guys that let you down.

Yarran is a rolls royce but probably only a pinch hitter at present.

C'mon Blues, lose this one and the season will be looking really sick


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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 12:09 am 
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Wish I was a fly on the wall at match committee this week...

Could Thornton do any worse than Cloke up forward? He would most likely kick more goals. He wouldn't be the first defender of his type to make a successful transition to a forward. Might give his career a new lease of life. He generally made a good fist of playing defence in an awful side and might rise to the occasion playing attack in a more successful one. Start giving him goalkicking practice so we can find out. Would like to see him start in the goalsquare next to Fev or if Fev is injured, next to Kreuzer or Waite with the other playing CHF.

Robinson in for Wiggins. The Chief has been a survivor for a long time and he'll probably be back. Robbo has been going ok and might be ready to turn it on again in front of a big crowd.

Would like to see Grigg in but he probably needs a run in the Ants first. They have a bye this week which won't help.

I would replace Cloke with Setanta but not necessarily in the same position.

As for the rest of Wallsy's six (or more), sure, but who do you drop them for?
Browne was emergency at the Gold Coast so possibly first in line.
Anderson and Bannister worth considering.
I wouldn't promote Houlihan until he has played well in the 2s.
Garlett is a difficult choice. He might have been very handy in the flooding at the GC. Even two extra goal assists and we would have won, and how many wasted forward 50s did we have exactly?
Ellard improving and not far off a recall but we used up the rookie promotion on Bentley.
Want to see Hartlett continue to improve for a few more weeks and not get injured before he is considered.
Sorry but I cannot see this team going forward with Brad Fisher, much as he would have earned his 100 games if not for injury during his career.

And lastly, just why was the side so flat right from the start against Freo? Need some thought going into that this week.


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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 1:30 am 
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Not playing Fevola would be a stupid move.

Collingwood's backs have been Fev's bunnies.

In: Robinson Hartlett/O'hAilpin Browne
Out: Wiggins Cloke Scotland

Play Waite at CHF and Hartlett or O'hAilpin on Cloke if Hartlett comes up.

We need Hadley's big body in the packs against O'Bree, Swan and Pendlebury.

Fevola set for clash with Magpies, says Ratten


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