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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:09 pm 
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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:10 pm 
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Lose to Collingwood next week and I'm moving to Egypt


I hear Cairo is lovely in mid-May.


Sound like he is in denial.



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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:11 pm 
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Jarusa wrote:
35 inside fifties in the second half for 3 goals.

20 more inside 50s over the game than the Dockers.


It shows three problems we have as a team.

1. Players making the right decision when kicking it inside 50.

2. If the player makes the right decision, they then don't have the skill to hit the target.

3. There are simply no options - we all know Fev will have three on him yet we still kick it to him. Cloke and Wiggins don't give a yelp...and the biggest worry is that there is no one to replace them...where are our other forwards going to come from?

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:15 pm 
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chubbyruss wrote:
Jarusa wrote:
35 inside fifties in the second half for 3 goals.

20 more inside 50s over the game than the Dockers.


It shows three problems we have as a team.

1. Players making the right decision when kicking it inside 50.

2. If the player makes the right decision, they then don't have the skill to hit the target.

3. There are simply no options - we all know Fev will have three on him yet we still kick it to him. Cloke and Wiggins don't give a yelp...and the biggest worry is that there is no one to replace them...where are our other forwards going to come from?


It's time to make Austin our CHB and move Waite forward. Easy getting kicks as a floating defender, Waite now needs to prove he can be a matchwinner in the forward half.


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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:20 pm 
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Obviously a poor result...some on here have spoken of high expectation on our team this year..I think most on this forum are guilty of expecting too much of this team this year. The comp is very very very even (with the definite exceptions of Geelong and Stkilda) leaving the bottom 14 teams (maybe leave Richmond and Melbourne out of it) and you have 12 pretty evenly matched sides.

These teams are having a good game one week and then play flowered the week after. This is where we are at at the moment. We are one of these teams. We are not better than these 12 teams nor are we worse.

We have players in the current 22 who should not be there because they are slow and not up to elite level. I've mentioned these names weekly and i'm sure they will be metioned again this week. Cloke aint got what we need. He ticks one out of a possible 10 boxes. Wiggo another...One box ticked out of 10...Thornton and so on....

Couple this with our blooding our a lot of youngsters...there will be many disappointing defeats along the way. I do not think it is the game plan as such that sucks so much as the personnel willing to sacrifice enough to implement it plus have the skill to implement it.

On the bright side we are not getting pumped...to play that poor and still be in it to the end is astonishing...and can only mean one thing..that we are getting more than our fair share of the ball but are not using it well. We had over 50 more possesions than Freo despite them having nearly 40 more hitouts... :eek:

Needs:
-More games into hampson until warnock comes back...must work to get more direct hitouts at stoppages
-More games into Austin to help release Waite more and more up the ground.
-Take risks and move players around...i.e. Thornton to CHF...we would lose nothing down back believe me.
-Lots of patience cuz anyone who thinks Ratts can get this team into the top 4 in his second season is delusional.
-Make it a priority to drop non performers who have non performed regularly...see ya later clokey and wiggo. Get some flankers with pace and grunt in that forward 50...browne and robbo come to mind.
-Need to play the corridor. It is the only avenue for teams they are not confident enough in their skills...i.e. us and the scum to name a few...the scum know their limitations and although they have only a plan A...they have fallen over the line in a couple of games due to getting the ball down the ground a lot quicker and getting their forwards more one out.

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:22 pm 
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it is the same thing every week - Judd -murph and Kruez bust their arse and everyone else watches them

that was disgraceful tonight

poor conversion again

Fev must be a homebody doesn't like travelling interstate

did cloke or wiggins get a touch

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:23 pm 
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Houlihan played VFL today, apparently not in our best 22 :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:23 pm 
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chubbyruss wrote:
Jarusa wrote:
35 inside fifties in the second half for 3 goals.

20 more inside 50s over the game than the Dockers.


It shows three problems we have as a team.

1. Players making the right decision when kicking it inside 50.

2. If the player makes the right decision, they then don't have the skill to hit the target.

3. There are simply no options - we all know Fev will have three on him yet we still kick it to him. Cloke and Wiggins don't give a yelp...and the biggest worry is that there is no one to replace them...where are our other forwards going to come from?



I think the key issue is that we get out of the corridor to easily. If you go wide all the time the delivery into 50 is far more ineffektive. Harder to lead for the foirwards. Also makes it easier for the opposition to rebound quickly as aor players are wide - i.e. lots of space.

I suspect that Ratts is trying to get them to play Cats style, running and handballing, over lapping. The problem is that we are not good enough for this and get pushed wide.

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:25 pm 
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chubbyruss wrote:
Jarusa wrote:
35 inside fifties in the second half for 3 goals.

20 more inside 50s over the game than the Dockers.


It shows three problems we have as a team.

1. Players making the right decision when kicking it inside 50.

2. If the player makes the right decision, they then don't have the skill to hit the target.

3. There are simply no options - we all know Fev will have three on him yet we still kick it to him. Cloke and Wiggins don't give a yelp...and the biggest worry is that there is no one to replace them...where are our other forwards going to come from?


I thought they might have used Fevola as a decoy forward more in the second half and out of the 35 inside 50's in the second half I don't remember the normal amount directed to fev (might be wrong on that). Would be interesting to know if they did try to use him as a decoy after knowing he was injured.

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:30 pm 
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Jarusa wrote:
chubbyruss wrote:
Jarusa wrote:
35 inside fifties in the second half for 3 goals.

20 more inside 50s over the game than the Dockers.


It shows three problems we have as a team.

1. Players making the right decision when kicking it inside 50.

2. If the player makes the right decision, they then don't have the skill to hit the target.

3. There are simply no options - we all know Fev will have three on him yet we still kick it to him. Cloke and Wiggins don't give a yelp...and the biggest worry is that there is no one to replace them...where are our other forwards going to come from?


I thought they might have used Fevola as a decoy forward more in the second half and out of the 35 inside 50's in the second half I don't remember the normal amount directed to fev (might be wrong on that). Would be interesting to know if they did try to use him as a decoy after knowing he was injured.


Fev played?

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:30 pm 
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Let's make an example of Cloke and Wiggins....our lower ranked players.


:idea: :idea: :idea: :idea:
Hang on....why not make an example of our so called leaders.
Nick Stevens...you have been found out as a SOFT front runner. :yikes: :yikes:
VC my a***.!!!!

TIME TO GO :mad: :mad:

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:31 pm 
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The fact is that we have know won ONE out of our last four game and beaten a very average Bulldogs side.

It is time for some changes:

Players under pressure: Wiggins, Cloke, Russell, Simpson, Thornton, Stevens

Players under consideration: Garlett, Robinson, Bannister, Browne, Anderson, Hartlett, Grigg (if fit)


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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:32 pm 
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Anyone know what Ratts said in the post match?

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:34 pm 
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mikkey wrote:
Anyone know what Ratts said in the post match?



it went something like this

@#$%&! @#$%&! shit @#$%&! screw it @#$%&! shit shit shit

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:35 pm 
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mikkey wrote:
Anyone know what Ratts said in the post match?


He said he's had enough opportunities but it was clear he can't coach. :roll:

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:40 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Can I start it?

flower insipid. The last quarter effort did nothing but magnify the pathetic efforts of the first half.

Fevola will get a truck thrown at him by the media this week and deserves every bit of it. Pathetic.

Walls was wrong about our bottom six, it runs deeper than that.

Bower & Jamison appear to try hard, but really? Could Bower sell his teammates into trouble more often? Jamison does a good job on his opponent, but the days of playing a Micky Martyn single possession role week in week out are long gone. We need more from him.

Thornton no good, ditto Cloke, Wiggins, and a few others. Hampson is an athlete and that's about it. Stevens is a shadow of his former self.

I spoke in the Bummers thread last night about weight of expectation. The Bummers play like a team that have none, we play like a team that everyone has talked up as top 4, when we're clearly not. You can have all the top draft picks in world, but when you have 6-10 players not up to AFL standard, you're dreamin.


Then we have to ask ourselves why are our bottom six not upto AFL standard?

We are too insular, me thinks, we haven't factored in other teams room for improvement just because we hogged three number one draft picks in a row.

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:41 pm 
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List management will be very interesting going forward.

Could it be said that the true cost of retaining the likes of Edwards, Hartlett, Bannister et al for perhaps a season or two too many is now becoming apparent? We've been very conservative in our list management, and failed to make the big calls on a lot of blokes, and with a couple of injuries, our lack of depth has been sorely exposed. It's true that you can't field a list of 18-19 year-olds though, so where to from here?

Turning over and replacing those whose time is up at the end of the year will be a tough gig, and getting the balance right between experience and youth - and development versus competitiveness - will be tricky indeed. Can't help but feel that a certain amount of sitting-on-our-hands in the last couple of years hasn't helped the cause, though.

Anyhow, time to bring in Anderson, Browne and Robinson for a few weeks to see if they're up to it.


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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:42 pm 
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I didn't like seeing Yarran pat Hill (his ex-teammate) on the back a couple of times, as Hill ran past him, HALFWAY THROUGH THE THIRD QUARTER.

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:44 pm 
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cj69 wrote:
Lets be very clear where we are and where we have come from.

Last few years we have won 4, 3, 4 and 10 games. Guys like Kruezer, Gibbs, Murphy, Yarran, Hampson, Bower, Jamison, Judd, Austin, Robinson are the nucleous of a side that we will build our team around.

Until we can get more contributors into the game we will struggle for consistent performances.

All in all it is frustrating but it is reality! :thumbsup:


There are serious question marks already as to whether some of these players have the ability to be AFL finals standard.
Judd & Murphy & JamisonYes
Kreuzer- is not a ruckman
Gibbs- not penetrating enough with possession
Yarran- Too early to tell but looks 2 years away from it
Hampson- It could click but we saw the gap between an a grade ruckman and where Hampson is at
Austin- I hope so. Clean Grab but decision making not up to scratch.
Robinson- Will make it

I think when you look at that list. There just isn't the key position talent for us to really click


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