Deano Supremo – you clearly find it difficult to admit that you were wrong.

Yes we may have been at a low ebb but if anyone seriously thinks that the AFL would have let CFC fall over they are seriously deluded. Nobody (apart from the AFL) forced us to sign onto a deal for 10 years. We lacked the leadership from within the Club to negotiate a better deal for ourselves at the time. And most supporters fell into line with this story without question.

I recall Collingwood signing up a great deal at the MCG shortly after we signed our deal.

The consultation process referred to in the release was a joke.

I repeat my claim that, apart from a vocal minority, the majority were lead like sheep to the slaughter over this issue.

I’d be very interested to hear exactly where I am re-writing history?

not quite.

The 3mill was provided to break preexisting contracts at optus to facilitate the move. We didnt really receive any real $ from the move deal. To suggest that the club got $3mill upfront is rubbish from caros part. One only needs to go back to the annual reports/debt levels/cash flows to see that we never received 3mill $.

I will forever now call Docklands "Screw You Stadium"

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Perhaps, but would this astronomical figure be greater than the figure to build a brand new stadium somewhere else in Melbourne from scratch?

It will only ever happen on AFL terms. Someone on this site mentioned that a while ago in another thread.

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It is not as bad as you are lead to believe.......it is %$#^& worse!!!

Absolutely disgraceful!

I think people are getting the reasons for the move confused with this pathetic situation about our terms in the stadium deal.
The reasons for the move are still sound – we simply couldn’t afford to fund the upkeep of Princes Park as an AFL venue without AFL support. Even Swanny has indicated that a possible return to PP would need to be paid for by the league and the club is happy to leave the venue as a clean stadium so that all revenue go to the club playing as a ‘home’ side – signage, pourage, food, gate, etc.
The club is willing to forego claims as the prime tenant and ask for very little, if any returns on games played there. This shows that the ongoing costs of maintaining PP as a matchday venue are not within our means and this was the case back in 2004/05. So the basic issues remain true.

The disgrace is that collo would facilitate such an appalling deal for our club and leave us in such a situation when we had enough clout and could bring enough positives to extract a much better deal than we did. What an indictment for collo and the board at the time for leading the club to this deal. As much damage as Elliot. Makes me sick!

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C'mon Blueboys!

It is not 40 cents per ticket sold, it is 40 cents averaged against all at the ground. Not everyone has to buy a ticket.

Many there would have been paid up members.

Let's have a look at what has happened over the last few years.

Our membership has skyrocketed.

That is great for bottom line revenue.

But it might not be great for ground receipts.

If the proportion of members attending games now is greater than it was a few years ago our gate receipts are going to suffer at all venues, especially smaller venues.

It would be great to know the numbers, but this is more than likely what is happening.

It's all posturing to get better deals at MCG and Docklands.

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You hang around with dogs, you're bound to catch fleas. Yeah, yeah former club champion/administrator and all that, but he has shown the fibre of his fabric in recent years. It's all about achieving returns for the stadium stakeholders (possibly heavily personally incentivised), and to hell with the consequences for everyone else it seems - former clubs or otherwise.

Prudent business practice should be all about achieving quid pro quo for all involved parties. To so gratuitously and shamelessly appear to screw vitally important parties such as the AFL clubs (let alone the club he served as a player, administrator and president) for personal gain/vendetta/ego/pissing contest/whatever reason shows the empty, soulless nature of a person without a working moral compass.

He is by far the least admirable person and most reprehinsible person involved with our great game - and there's a field as big as the Melbourne Cup with genuine contenders to that crown.

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Dont worry at the time Carlton had no friends and the AFL was looking at relocating teams to Gold Coast etc rather than starting them from scratch.

The old 9 AFL teams in Melbourne debate is always bubbling away under the agenda at AFL Commission level - and in 2004/2005 it would have been an easy decision to move one of the worst performing teams financially and on-field.

So any idle threats on our part would have been laughed at - and one less Melbourne based AFL team would have fitted in well with AFL's long term strategy.

Demetrispew was going to fixture us to oblivion had we not taken the MCG/Telstradome deal - even though the sole MCG deal would have been better - and if we went for the MCG deal we were not going to get the cash to break our Catering Contracts at PP.

There is not much point trying to revise history and try and point score with I told you so's at this point in time.

At the time we were flowered - we were over the barrel and the "sisters" at the AFL were taking it in turns.

If the AFL want to invest some money at PP to bring it up to standard to host 25,000 crowd AFL matches then lets take pleasure in the fact that in their haste and glee to stick it up us they have cut off their own noses and now they are going to have to pay for it.

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POW.

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The problem with Socialism is, you eventually run out of other people's money.

And dont forget that Collo was headhunted for the job when the Dockland Stadium in its first few years was beset with problems and losing money hand over fist - they wanted some one who could fix it and start it making money pronto - enter stage left Mr. C$#T.

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And who were we going to play at Princes Park? University?
You can argue for Princes Park all you like but the AFL were always going to fixture 6 home games at TD.
It was a case of accept the money and get the best deal possible or go there for nothing.

Thinking we had the money or clout to stay at PP is for dreamers.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

Precisely. The AFL & Collo were steering our ship at the time.

I agree with Jarusa that all this talk is just posturing and bluff.

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There's so much I could say...

Perhaps he was getting back at all the clubs for bagging our ground at the time. Ironically those clubs now see that ground as its potential savoiur.
Who is the key stakeholder for this stadium?

Blues21 - my esteemed colleagues in Agro and Blue Vain have answered your question far batter than I ever would have.

Dead set - you'd be the type of bloke who wonders why the homeless just don't get a job and move into a house.

And if you think the AFL wouldn't let us just fall over - who fined us a million big ones and denied us access to the 1st two rounds of the draft for two years? Pixies?

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two different issues deano

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How so?

The AFL wouldn't let us fall over, yet they penalised us to the point of extinction?


Flower me.

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Firstly I like going to the dome.

Question, is the figure quoted low because we have so many paid up members so the $ from the gate are low?

Secondly with over 40,000 members do we have a lottery system to allocate which members can get in to Visy Park with the 25,000 seat capacity (as quoted in the article).

As mentioned in another thread, if the AFL takes over VISY PARK and play other teams there, there is a big risk we loose it as our spiritual home.

Should members be encouraged to stay home to avoid doing too much damage to our bottom line at ES?

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Jesus Christ, that'd go down well.

That'd be the biggest PR disaster of all time.

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