Common you need to give the Swans and Hawks more credit ..............

The Swans play a flooding game on a home ground it is designed for, and they do it well. And the Hawks are reigning premiers and a damn good team.

The Essendon* game was probably a bit of a choke, but Swans and Hawks were always going to be hard games ..............

Collingwood. Now there's a bogan team if there was ever one.

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We've been that poor for that long that most teams have "streaks" over us.
They'll all be ended at some stage.

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Exactly weve been so shit that almost every team in the league is our bogey team

I actually think he has a point. Not so much Essendon*. I just think we got ahead of ourselves and underestimated them. But I still think we are mentally fragile against these other 'bogey' sides. I reckon there were stages yesterday where we went into our shell, and the hawks dominated us when this happened. Same against the swines. As much as it was a great performance yesterday, I reckon if we had won it the boost to their self confidence and psyche would have been enormous. that they lost may not neccessarily be detrimental, because they proved to themselves that they can be competitive with these sides, but they certainly haven't proved to themselves that they are capable of beating them just yet. make no mistake fev's poster meant a hell of a lot more than 4 points yesterday

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Agree with this.



I will be very very surprised if we manage to beat StKilda, they have it over us at the best of times and they are playing good footy this year. Kosi+Reiwoldt=Carlton Headache. Roos we should beat and if we take the Crows on without getting stagnent like the Swans game that is winnable too.

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Agree ... can't see us beating the Saints at this stage, Geelong either ... everyone else (except maybe the Swans at the SCG) are beatable ... including the Dawks.

Any team with big bodies, who play a tough game will defeat us. We have one senior midfielder who tackles, the rest are either too young or play the camporeale role. Put us against a team like the Dogs who want to take you on and we'll win every time, put us against a team of 75kg wingmen like Richmond and we'll win every time. Stkilda, Sydney, Hawthorn and Geelong will continue to smash us. Unfortunately Terry Wallace and Scott Clayton can't manage everyone's list, we need some muscle in the midfield and across half back, Walker's absence is really hurting.

The "W"s are the missing piece in the puzzle - Warnock and Walker.

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Would be good to have a tank with a gun kick. Dew or Hunt type.

Can we poach Hurn?

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Sinny beat us by under 3 goals, hawks just got home... I would hardly say we were smashed by these teams and if you mean physical pressure I think our boys stood up quite well win the exception of 10 minutes in the final quarter.

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I thought we were soundly beaten by an old, one-paced Sydney and we almost took advantage of an injury riddled Hawthorn. Facts are, even in the dark near-past we've matched up unusually well against sides like the doggies and more often than not been flogged by big bodied teams who are hard at it. In the meantime our skill level has seen us go ahead of some of those teams ie. Roos and Lions, but we're still struggling against the harder teams when they have a modicum of class. When we can take it up to stkilda I'll feel like we're going places, and I'm really looking forward to that test.

No such thing as a 'Bogey team'.

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0 from 4 now (5 if you count Freo, who we only just beat last year), with the saints to come. Mark my words, we ain't going anywhere until we beat these teams

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#GUILTY

I'v mentioned this a few times in other threads. I think we need to look at WHY we have losing streaks against these teams/

AFAIC, we have not been able to find a way to beat teams who employ a form of zone or flood. It goes back 4 or 5 years to when Sydney and Adelaide first employed the tactic. In that time, Sydney, Adelaide, St Kilda, Hawthorn, Brisbane (this year), Collingwood (after quarter time this year) and Geelong have all, at some stage, used that strategy, and we have either failed to beat them (Adelaide, Sydney, St Kilda, Hawthorn, Geelong) or struggled for the time that the opposition employed the tactic (Brisbane after half time, Collingwood during the 2nd and 3rd quarters).

Geelong keep beating us because the keep beating everyone, they are far superior.

I fear our games this year against Geelong and St Kilda, both could get very ugly. We just have not worked out a way to counteract that zone.

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Mens sana in corpore sano.

Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

It continues to shit me up the wall to do this, but we need to look at what Essendon* are doing. I know we have the capability to run in waves, we've shown it against less physical teams thus far. But I still think many players in our team have a loser's mentality and when they come up against these bigger sides who crowd their space they instantly feel that they are inferior, kids playing against men. Whether this will improve as our boys get older, or it continues to fester in their minds, I do no not know. But it comes down to reactive coaching. We seem so concerned with "How do we break the zone/flood?" when we should be finding ways to make the opposition wonder how THEY can stop US (beyond "throw three blokes into Fev and Judd").

This however does not account for our deplorable record against Essendon* and Freo, but I think it's symptomatic of the same problem. When sides come at us head on we shit our pants.

I read a pretty insightful comment yesterday on the Carlton BF forum. We need to train our players/club/administration to no longer focus on the past 7 years, but rather what we have achieved in our history. If every club were as mentally crippled by a few bad years as we have been (eg St Kilda, Bulldogs, Melbourne, Fitzroy, Richmond even Collingwood), we'd be looking at a much different league IMO.

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WADA medical director Dr Alan Vernec describes Essendon* FC drug case as biggest scandal in team sport the world of sport has seen. #WC2WB

#GUILTY

I know last night was a terrific effort by the boys, but the fact remains that another winning streak over us remains in tact

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#GUILTY

Mark my words Don ... the scum and Froe's streaks will be over come in the following 2 matches ... Swan's streak will be up as well!

A littlelater than expected but will go coco bananas if any of then have a streak by thetime this season is over!

Its been too long!

Freo's streak is only 1.