No it won't, because it'll be the leadership group who make the recommendation to the football department. If the leadership group still want him there it'll be based on a majority decision and more than likely will have the input of players on the list who want to put there 2 cents worth in.

If he goes its because they don't want him, if he stays its because they want him to stay.

Is it that hard to work out without making things up.

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We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

I've had a bit of time to think about it.

I still don't know what the answer is.

The Irish boys at the pub think it's a hoot; I don't.

Don't sack him...I don't think that'll do any good for anyone.

Severely reprimand him and make him earn respect from the players...ala Geelong.

Judd knows better and Fev says Setanra is a good bloke.

Where do you go?

We've got to do the right thing...remorse from Setanta in front of the media and another chance from the club, whilst Cloke and Setanta hug and make up...that would be better news for the Carlton family and public image of the club.

I will support the judgement of the leadership group; they're closer to all the facts and the history.

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I voted for him not to be sacked.

He won't gain anything out of being sacked, and perhaps he will develop a better understanding of strength on the footy field.

Anyone who has ever played footy knows you never kick anyone, you never eye gouge them and you never spit on them. It's built into blokes like us from the moment we pull on a footy boot. I dunno what the footy culture is like in Ireland, but the other Irish blokes playing AFL have never done anything like that.

You said it yourself though, the leadership group will only be making the recommendation, not the final decision. There's every chance they could recommend he get the arse, but the powers veto this because he's an 'important player to our structure', or vice versa. So when you say that if the players want him to stay, he stays, that's not necessarily true.

It's interesting how we point and laugh at other clubs for the ways in which they deal with their trash, yet here we have an opportunity to show why we're better than they are, and we've suddenly been struck with a dose of charity. I never thought I'd say this, but I agree with verbs.

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Sack for me. The vibes I got from the grabs with Ratts, were ones of fairly deep seated anger.
If as others here have said, Ratts is anti Setanta, then this won't improve the situation.
If he stays and Ratts decides not to play him, then he is a list clogger.

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Good point.

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Setanta should :

Apologise to Cloke & family;
Attend anger management counselling;
Do what is necessary to win the respect of team members;

The club should :

Support him better manage anger;
Fine him / suspend him for a few games;
Facilitate rehabilitation into the team;

Sacking is excessive just for this one incident. If there is a long history then yes this could be the last straw. I think it is white line fever that got out of hand.

The hysteria here is over the top, I just hope that some of the posters here do not work in nuclear missile control sites.

Poor by Simpson to give Setanta a serve after the incident, just further alienates Setanta, not what leaders do.

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I dare say the club would find it difficult to go against the leadership group - after all, if the players (or a group of leaders from the side) don't want him at Carlton - why would force them both together?!

I think that however it is decided, Cam Cloke's opinion should at least bear an impression on the decision. Not publicly obviously.

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I would much prefer to be kicked softly in the date than punched squarely in the face. I don't understand the hysteria over "kicking". It was that same hysteria over "kicking" that led to Peter Dean being suspended for 5 matches for tapping Billy Brownless on the knee with his toe.

In this incident I interpret Setanta's punch as an angry way of finishing the wrestle with Cloke and the kick is a sign that the red mist has taken over his senses completely.

Obviously this is unacceptable and I support the club's decision to suspend him indefinitely. I don't think it's a sackable offense though.

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keep.

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dane's trolling again

i think we should keep him. kouta thinks we should keep him, so i think we keep him.

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i am what i am. somebody has to be.

I love the "Vibe"

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"I will rejoice in their anguish, delight in their failure and revel in our success"

We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

The footy department and the club will go with the players on this. They'd be worried if any disquiet was to emanate from the playing group because he either stays or is sacked.

At the end of the day, it was an altercation between players. If the players vote to get over it and move on then i'd be staggered, absolutely staggered, if they were to go against the recommendation of the leadership group.

If it went the other way and the players want to get rid of him then there's not a snowflakes chance in hell the footy department or board would overturn it.

Clubs build these leadership groups to be the "Be All and End All", they won't change that because of a blue between teammates. The action isn't serious enough to get anyone else involved

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"I will rejoice in their anguish, delight in their failure and revel in our success"

We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

I voted to sack him..... I think he will stay though. Hopefully the MRP stays out of it and it becomes the club's decision to make.

I think that if Carlos does spend some time at Preston, he will be pushing shit uphill to justify his place on the list. He would want to keep a few clean sheets against lesser opponents in the VFL if he is to become a part of the Navy Blue backline.... short of that, he's a novelty.

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Keep him of course .

We need players with " mongrel " in them if we are serious about another premiership .

Why throw a premiership chance away because of a kick in the bum ???

I still want to hear what went on earlier that lead to the big blow-up . There must be a whole lot more to it .

There was a similar incident at Brisbane a few years ago between 2 senior players . One finished with broken ribs .
They apparently still don't speak to each other , but it hasn't made any difference to them playing together . Went on to win a premiership I think . Charman and Black .

So , get the full story , and take it from there . An appropriate fine is as good as anything .
Nobody likes to be hit in the hip pocket .
But sack him ? . . . . What a heap of rubbish !

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Get the facts first.
Then you can distort them at your leisure.

Well DRJ think we should sack him.

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

This has already disrupted us too much.

Have him train and play with the Bullants all year. Tell him he wont be apart of the blues again. Help him with his temper management. Help him find another VFL club next year if he wants to stay in Aust (he may as he has a girl here and bought a house last year). If he wants to go home do we should do all we can to assist him.

He was good value in our dark years. Played with passion and gave us something to cheer about but as of last season he seems to have lost the plot.

We must nip this in the bud now !

No need for him to find another VFL club if the Blues do decide to cut him.

Bullants coach would welcome 'nice guy' O'hAilpin back to club- The Age 8/2/09

Teague said if O'hAilpin was axed by Carlton he would take O'hAilpin.......

"It's completely out of character for him," Teague told The Sunday Age. "Normally, he's one of the nicest blokes you'll ever meet and one of the most dedicated blokes at training.

"I think all of the blokes at our club would definitely welcome him and would be excited to help him get back on the horse again."

sorry o'hailpin

Surely all he deserves is a kick up the arse