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I think it's the right time for him to go back forward.

We have enough options down back and in midfield, so we now have the luxury of using his skills closer to goal.

The only concern I have is he's a bit one paced and so I have doubts about his defensive pressure, but if we go witha Hawthron like zone set up that should cover up the not quick Houlihans and even Clokes to a degree.

He's quicker than he looks because he lopes. If you look at him closely you'll see he gets a swag of possessions clear of his opponent. That has led many on this site to bag his defensive side but he has the knack of leaving his man at the right time to make space for himself. When it comes off he's clear and away bit when it doesn't, his man might be the one who benefits.
This is his best position. He's good overhead, one of the best kicks in the league and IMO, the best crumber in the team.
He's got enough time to play 200 and maybe win a premiership if his body holds up.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:39 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
Virgin Blue wrote:
I think it's the right time for him to go back forward.

We have enough options down back and in midfield, so we now have the luxury of using his skills closer to goal.

The only concern I have is he's a bit one paced and so I have doubts about his defensive pressure, but if we go witha Hawthron like zone set up that should cover up the not quick Houlihans and even Clokes to a degree.

He's quicker than he looks because he lopes. If you look at him closely you'll see he gets a swag of possessions clear of his opponent. That has led many on this site to bag his defensive side but he has the knack of leaving his man at the right time to make space for himself. When it comes off he's clear and away bit when it doesn't, his man might be the one who benefits.
This is his best position. He's good overhead, one of the best kicks in the league and IMO, the best crumber in the team.
He's got enough time to play 200 and maybe win a premiership if his body holds up.


Hoops is one of those players that times his runs at the ball to perfection. When he roves off a pack or gathers it's usually at full pace whichghives the impression that he is quicker than he actually is. It's a pretty damn good strength to have.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:00 pm 
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HELLAS BLUE wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
Virgin Blue wrote:
I think it's the right time for him to go back forward.

We have enough options down back and in midfield, so we now have the luxury of using his skills closer to goal.

The only concern I have is he's a bit one paced and so I have doubts about his defensive pressure, but if we go witha Hawthron like zone set up that should cover up the not quick Houlihans and even Clokes to a degree.

He's quicker than he looks because he lopes. If you look at him closely you'll see he gets a swag of possessions clear of his opponent. That has led many on this site to bag his defensive side but he has the knack of leaving his man at the right time to make space for himself. When it comes off he's clear and away bit when it doesn't, his man might be the one who benefits.
This is his best position. He's good overhead, one of the best kicks in the league and IMO, the best crumber in the team.
He's got enough time to play 200 and maybe win a premiership if his body holds up.


Hoops is one of those players that times his runs at the ball to perfection. When he roves off a pack or gathers it's usually at full pace whichghives the impression that he is quicker than he actually is. It's a pretty damn good strength to have.


Anyone who can tag Aaron Davey and keep him to less than 5 possessions must have some legspeed!

Go Houlas!!!

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Looking forward to seeing more of Houla as long as he keeps the intensity right up.........

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:00 pm 
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Dukes wrote:
HELLAS BLUE wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
Virgin Blue wrote:
I think it's the right time for him to go back forward.

We have enough options down back and in midfield, so we now have the luxury of using his skills closer to goal.

The only concern I have is he's a bit one paced and so I have doubts about his defensive pressure, but if we go witha Hawthron like zone set up that should cover up the not quick Houlihans and even Clokes to a degree.

He's quicker than he looks because he lopes. If you look at him closely you'll see he gets a swag of possessions clear of his opponent. That has led many on this site to bag his defensive side but he has the knack of leaving his man at the right time to make space for himself. When it comes off he's clear and away bit when it doesn't, his man might be the one who benefits.
This is his best position. He's good overhead, one of the best kicks in the league and IMO, the best crumber in the team.
He's got enough time to play 200 and maybe win a premiership if his body holds up.


Hoops is one of those players that times his runs at the ball to perfection. When he roves off a pack or gathers it's usually at full pace whichghives the impression that he is quicker than he actually is. It's a pretty damn good strength to have.


Anyone who can tag Aaron Davey and keep him to less than 5 possessions must have some legspeed!

Go Houlas!!!


Just sit on the fence one day, and watch Houla run against an opponent; he's damn fast...just glides. You can easily miss that when you're in the stands or on TV.

If you think Houla is slow, you don't know what Houla's got under his bonnet.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:20 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Dukes wrote:
HELLAS BLUE wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
Virgin Blue wrote:
I think it's the right time for him to go back forward.

We have enough options down back and in midfield, so we now have the luxury of using his skills closer to goal.

The only concern I have is he's a bit one paced and so I have doubts about his defensive pressure, but if we go witha Hawthron like zone set up that should cover up the not quick Houlihans and even Clokes to a degree.

He's quicker than he looks because he lopes. If you look at him closely you'll see he gets a swag of possessions clear of his opponent. That has led many on this site to bag his defensive side but he has the knack of leaving his man at the right time to make space for himself. When it comes off he's clear and away bit when it doesn't, his man might be the one who benefits.
This is his best position. He's good overhead, one of the best kicks in the league and IMO, the best crumber in the team.
He's got enough time to play 200 and maybe win a premiership if his body holds up.


Hoops is one of those players that times his runs at the ball to perfection. When he roves off a pack or gathers it's usually at full pace whichghives the impression that he is quicker than he actually is. It's a pretty damn good strength to have.


Anyone who can tag Aaron Davey and keep him to less than 5 possessions must have some legspeed!

Go Houlas!!!


Just sit on the fence one day, and watch Houla run against an opponent; he's damn fast...just glides. You can easily miss that when you're in the stands or on TV.

If you think Houla is slow, you don't know what Houla's got under his bonnet.


C'mon less of the Houla's a girl comments, ya know it used to his hair and now its his headwear, Geez :wink:


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 5:24 pm 
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Nick wrote:
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ABOUT BLOODY TIME


One of Pagan's worst mistakes - trying to turn Houlihan into a tough guy half back.

I hope he can get some of his early career form back as a classy goalsneak.


Disagree. Pagan's game plan was based on exquisite delivery from the forward line and Houlihan and Lappin were two of a handful on the list who could hit a target 8/10 times, hence the reason for their move in the backline. Bringing the ball out from the backline is one of the most important facets of play in any team and where if a team makes an error, results in an opposition goal most times.

Ultimately, Pagan fell on his own sword but you can certainly see why he did it. Incidentally, most good teams in the AFL also follow the same plan, that is quick and reliable set-up of attacks from the backline.

Have you forgotten the days of Glenn Bowyer and Andrew Eccles delivering the ball from the backline already? *Shudder* :eek:

As for the topic, great move. I've been wanting him to move into the forward line since '06. Good to see it finally and he'll give us some options up forward and, hopefully, more than a few goals.






I am a harsh critic of Houlhan because he lacks defensive skills and doesnt do enough one percenters so to play him in defence was flower stupid. If he is to play its up forward because he can kick a goal and set them up.


Thank flower christ Pagan isnt our coach. Its a while since he has left but it will never be forgotten how wrong the club was to extend his contract till 2008 when he had just coached us to that great pre season flag :roll:

I reckon Mickey Mouse could have coached North to a few flags in the late 90s.

I listened to a pre recorded interview with him and Marc Doran and he said nothing other than shit.

At least we got Kreuzer, Murphy and Gibbs the only positive legacy of the one and only Denis Pagan.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 5:34 pm 
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On Houlihan and a few others I reckon if the MC have some balls Guys like Houlihan will not get a game if they dont put in 100%.
Some of his efforts at times over the years have been pathetic. Simple as that but when you are the best pass around 40m in the team and have skill you are guarenteed a game.

Hopefully that wont happen in09

For the first time we are truly aiming for finals

And then you have
Anderson
Yarran(raps)
Robinson(raps)
Browne
Grigg
and others who are similar players so we have more depth



Look a fit Houlihan is a bonus.

But when he has to go for the ball he has to do it every time.
I reckon previous efforts that were tolerated will not be put up with in 09


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 3:32 pm 
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keogh wrote:
On Houlihan and a few others I reckon if the MC have some balls Guys like Houlihan will not get a game if they dont put in 100%.
Some of his efforts at times over the years have been pathetic. Simple as that but when you are the best pass around 40m in the team and have skill you are guarenteed a game.

Hopefully that wont happen in09

For the first time we are truly aiming for finals

And then you have
Anderson
Yarran(raps)
Robinson(raps)
Browne
Grigg
and others who are similar players so we have more depth



Look a fit Houlihan is a bonus.

But when he has to go for the ball he has to do it every time.
I reckon previous efforts that were tolerated will not be put up with in 09



..who says Houla's doesn't put in 100%..?.. ..just because he might not have put his body on the line in a few contests [and just a few, ppl do exaggerrate], that doesn't mean he doesnt give his all..near every player out there has at times taken a few short steps..its not always a courage/hardness thing, sometimes a player might ease off, in the hopes the ball might spill out, or to let the opponent get first touch so they can then tackle etc etc.. ..also, playing a person out of position and then complaining at percieved lack of effort is silly too.. ..he plays better as a forward, ergo being dissatisfied with him as a HBF isnt his fault, but rather a coaching issue.. ..as for the players listed, houla's still way ahead of them imo..

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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:

..who says Houla's doesn't put in 100%..?.. ..just because he might not have put his body on the line in a few contests...


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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:

..who says Houla's doesn't put in 100%..?.. ..just because he might not have put his body on the line in a few contests...


:smoking:


..haha, ever noticed how smug that emoticon looks..?..

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 7:19 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
keogh wrote:
On Houlihan and a few others I reckon if the MC have some balls Guys like Houlihan will not get a game if they dont put in 100%.
Some of his efforts at times over the years have been pathetic. Simple as that but when you are the best pass around 40m in the team and have skill you are guarenteed a game.

Hopefully that wont happen in09

For the first time we are truly aiming for finals

And then you have
Anderson
Yarran(raps)
Robinson(raps)
Browne
Grigg
and others who are similar players so we have more depth



Look a fit Houlihan is a bonus.

But when he has to go for the ball he has to do it every time.
I reckon previous efforts that were tolerated will not be put up with in 09



..who says Houla's doesn't put in 100%..?.. ..just because he might not have put his body on the line in a few contests [and just a few, ppl do exaggerrate], that doesn't mean he doesnt give his all..near every player out there has at times taken a few short steps..its not always a courage/hardness thing, sometimes a player might ease off, in the hopes the ball might spill out, or to let the opponent get first touch so they can then tackle etc etc.. ..also, playing a person out of position and then complaining at percieved lack of effort is silly too.. ..he plays better as a forward, ergo being dissatisfied with him as a HBF isnt his fault, but rather a coaching issue.. ..as for the players listed, houla's still way ahead of them imo..





Personally i hope Houlihan has a great year.


But I dont think I am exaggerrating.

Do you reckon he would have done what Anderson did in round 21 last year


I hope if Houlihan is in a similar situation this year he does the same


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keogh wrote:
Do you reckon he would have done what Anderson did in round 21 last year


I hope if Houlihan is in a similar situation this year he does the same



That's it right there. Not only would he not have done the courageous thing, I'm tipping he would have made sure he wasn't in the position where he may have to perform such an act.

That's basically what it comes down to this season, not just for Hoops but for Stevens as well. When it's your turn, you must go. No ifs buts or maybes, just 100% commitment to the cause. Anything less, especially from seasoned senior players is simply unacceptable.

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He certainly had his body on the line in 2001 against Ricciuto.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:39 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
keogh wrote:
On Houlihan and a few others I reckon if the MC have some balls Guys like Houlihan will not get a game if they dont put in 100%.
Some of his efforts at times over the years have been pathetic. Simple as that but when you are the best pass around 40m in the team and have skill you are guarenteed a game.

Hopefully that wont happen in09

For the first time we are truly aiming for finals

And then you have
Anderson
Yarran(raps)
Robinson(raps)
Browne
Grigg
and others who are similar players so we have more depth



Look a fit Houlihan is a bonus.

But when he has to go for the ball he has to do it every time.
I reckon previous efforts that were tolerated will not be put up with in 09



..who says Houla's doesn't put in 100%..?.. ..just because he might not have put his body on the line in a few contests [and just a few, ppl do exaggerrate], that doesn't mean he doesnt give his all..near every player out there has at times taken a few short steps..its not always a courage/hardness thing, sometimes a player might ease off, in the hopes the ball might spill out, or to let the opponent get first touch so they can then tackle etc etc.. ..also, playing a person out of position and then complaining at percieved lack of effort is silly too.. ..he plays better as a forward, ergo being dissatisfied with him as a HBF isnt his fault, but rather a coaching issue.. ..as for the players listed, houla's still way ahead of them imo..





Personally i hope Houlihan has a great year.


But I dont think I am exaggerrating.

Do you reckon he would have done what Anderson did in round 21 last year


I hope if Houlihan is in a similar situation this year he does the same



..well, he has been crunched quite a few times.. ..he didn't get those injuries playing bridge.. ..and in regards to a defender taking a forward hit to take that game saving mark, well that's why defenders are defenders.. ..Houla is a forward.. ..he does things in the forward line that many other players can't.. ..leave it for the defenders to do those things in the D50..

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