Pessimist.

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

I'm conservative by nature Agro.

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

They are both going to be great players, but Kruze ain't dime a dozen....

I want him to play forward, he is the perfect replacement for Fev. Infact the pair should play together for at least 5 years wreaking havoc as the twin towers from hell..

We have enough Mids so Kruzer was the correct decision by a mile. Infact I would still take Kruez ahead of a mid any day of the week. He is RARE.

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Krooze will win us matches.
Cotchin will win matches for Richmond.
The only time we need to worry about Cotchin is when we play Richmond and the first time will be in 63 days.
At the same time they will be worrying about Kruezer.
I think we could have won with either of these two. I'm happy the way we went and that clip shows what a beauty we have.
As long as he never changes his kicking style.
As the great Jack Dyer used to say, 'A good big man will always beat a good little man.'

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Let slip the Blues of war (with apologies to William Shakespeare) (and Sir Francis Bacon, just in case)

He also said 'I haven't seen that before for a very long time.'

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

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He also said 'Madden raises his arms high in the air like giant testicles'.

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i'm comfortable with the decision we made to go for kreuzer.

i don't think cotchin has done anywhere near enough to warrant the hype he is receiving. i believe most of the hype he receives stems from the fact that he had no pe-season and people just assume that once he gets a pre-season he will lift 4 gears ad take the comp by storm. he is a brilliant kick but struggles with penetration, isn't great overhead, isn't great defensively and the jury is still out as to whether he can handle a tag (whereas murph and gibbs handled those junior tags without a problem). besides, he only had 2 games this year where he collected over 20 touches.

at the time of the draft i was saying imo cotchin will turn out the better player (from what i'd seen in the 4 or 5 knights games i'd been to) and i still agree with that. i think cotchin will still be a slightly better player than kreuzer (though what i think counts for nothing anything can happen) but i maintain that picking kreuzer was the right decision. we are still lacking quality young talls and i believe kreuze will turn out a more valuable player than cotchin.

kreuzer's scope for improvement way outdoes cotchin's. as soeone said before, he is already 80kg and will probably only need to pack on a couple of mroe kilos to be at his peak weight whereas kreuze has a lot of room to fill into. not to mention that since riewoldt in '02, no big man has had as much impac in their first season as kreuze. even if he does nothing for the next 3 years, it won't matter. it's what happens after that that will determine this debate and how many more premiersip medallions he has around his neck than cotchin.

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Kreuzer’s debut year was as good as I could’ve ever had hoped for. Some of the things he did for a first year, thin tall was extraordinary. We got the right guy!

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C'mon Blueboys!

Cohibas???

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

Nah. Kruze will quit AFL at the end of the 2011 season to become a punter in the NFL. DUC's on the money.

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Congratulations CK95

When we picked Kreuzer even the most optimistic of punters were prepared to give him a few seasons as big guys take longer to mature into the game.

Let's keep that in mind.

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Congratulations CK95

Delidio- Griffen- Tambling or Roughead and Franklin

Who would you rather

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Quality talls are as rare as hens teeth and you can build a side around them. Imagine what the Western Bulldogs would give for a gun tall forward....
I'm glad we took the Kreuze however Cotchin will be a fine player as well.

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I think I recall correctly that all recruiters mentioned in the book "the Draft" rated Kruezer as the #1 pick. Cotchin will undoubtedly be a star and I'd love to have him as well - but for a big man you couldn't ask more from the Kruuze in his first season.

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This might sound extreme in the context of alleged sexual assault, drunken violence and a drug trafficking charge...

Krueze was the better fit for us at the time and still is.

Cotchin looks the goods early in his career, but we have the midfield pretty well covered for now I think. Plus as others have said, it's easier to find a good midfielder than a tall.

cotchin, kennedy, palmer vs. Judd and Kruezer. Time will tell whether we made the right choice, but a choice had to be made and right now our boys are looking good. The other misconception is the other path has to be a complete failure for us to look good, there was a cigarette paper between cotch and kruez at the time, and there may always be or cotch may jump ahead, that's the nature of drafting unestablished players. The one thing we do know is we cover cotch with Murph, we had no one like Kruezer

Yeah well said. I hope they both turn into stars but a choice had to be made and I think we got it right. He suits and I'm a huge fan of the no fuss no ego get it done smoothly type of players. They are dependable for the team and valuable when it comes to finals...at 200cm and with the athleticism he's got I'm excited.

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OMFG ...... I had Kernahan flash-backs watching that highlight package

The way he marked a few (esp. on the lead) then tucked the ball under his arm

Then a couple of helicopter's that still went straight through

.... and he's a friggin freak at ground level for his size


We have Judd, Murphy, Gibbs & Walker with Yarran & Robbo to come through in the next few years so we don't really need Cotchin
Not saying we would not want him, but we don't 'need' him

Kreuzer was the best available IMO and just happened to meet our need at the same time, therefore a no-brainer that we took him



Side note:
Looked really skinny in the chest & arms last year
Pic's if this years training he looks much more solid

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Don't worry Essendon* ....... We still hate your guts

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Would have been great to get both players in the one package.

Krotchin would be an awesome player, and smooth with the ladies.

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richmond said they would have taken cotchin even if they had pick 1 and i think west coast also said they rated him the best.

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