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JohnM
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Roos may not have seen a team win a flag by coming up from the bottom, courtesy of draft picks, but he soon will.

If Hawthorn don't win this year, they'll probably get the job done in 09.

Collingwood were one kick away from smashing Port Adelaide in the grand final last year, helped by their carefully-managed short stints down the bottom.

Carlton is on the way up. Richmond is too. St Kilda built a list capable of winning a flag, by bottoming out, but in true St Kilda fashion, found a way to screw it up.

Oh, and Brisbane won 3 flags by gaining a huge injection of top draft pick style talent courtesy of their concessions and fitzroy.
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Had you blokes managed to get over the line against Sydney in that late season cliff hanger, your W-L would have been better than Sydney's. Similarly, Richmond lost the unloseable against St Kilda earlier this season - had they won what they should have easily won that day, Richmond* have a home final this week and St Kilda misses the 8 altogether. It's a game of millimetres and Roosy should know that better than anyone.

Very strange interview. He has looked decidedly cranky in the media this season (by his standards anyway).

* Sucked in by the way

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JohnM wrote:
Roos may not have seen a team win a flag by coming up from the bottom, courtesy of draft picks, but he soon will.

If Hawthorn don't win this year, they'll probably get the job done in 09.

Collingwood were one kick away from smashing Port Adelaide in the grand final last year, helped by their carefully-managed short stints down the bottom.

Carlton is on the way up. Richmond is too. St Kilda built a list capable of winning a flag, by bottoming out, but in true St Kilda fashion, found a way to screw it up.

Oh, and Brisbane won 3 flags by gaining a huge injection of top draft pick style talent courtesy of their concessions and fitzroy.


In addition to your comments John:

Port Adelaide won the flag in 2004 with some pretty handy concessions gained from when they entered the comp i.e. Wanganeen, Treadrea and P Burgoyne. (and maybe Primus?)

Geelong obviously have had plenty of "assistance" via the father-son rule with Ablett and Scarlett.

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Who's been saying Carlton has had an outstanding year?


Exactly, the press is full of how wonderful Richmond and Essendon* are. We barely rate a mention beyond match reports.

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I think it is a fallacy to say we have a great list. I would say we have one of the worst list of key position players in the competition. If you consider age, talent & amount of genuine key position players available, Carltons key position stocks would be in the bottom 4 sides. That is why we don't make finals and I am not sure we can fix it 12 months either



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In a way - what he said is correct. With our list we should have made the finals.


There were two key losses that I think were the difference between finals and not playing finals.


The first round match vs Essendon*. It was the worst umpired match I had ever been to. And then the Adelaide match in Adelaide. We had our chances and some bizarre turnovers (such as the one where the umpire ran into Fev) sealed our fate in that match.


The Sydney match was also close. Maybe that is why Roos showed so much joy in that match, as he probably knew that win for the Swans went a long way towards deciding finals placings.


Team selection - more than ever - will be important in 2009. No more "untouchable" selections for certain players eg Russell, Wiggins etc and we should make the finals in 2009.


But, yeah, even with all their concessions- what Sydney have done in the last 5 years is impressive. They have made mistakes, though, recruiting Everitt.... what the? That guy is slower than a snail.
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I think Paul had his tongue firmly in his cheek when he said that about Carlton. He has done well to get and keep Sydney at level he has for as long as he has.

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Michael Jezz wrote:
I think it is a fallacy to say we have a great list. I would say we have one of the worst list of key position players in the competition. If you consider age, talent & amount of genuine key position players available, Carltons key position stocks would be in the bottom 4 sides. That is why we don't make finals and I am not sure we can fix it 12 months either



1979 Norm Smith medal wrote:
In a way - what he said is correct. With our list we should have made the finals.


There were two key losses that I think were the difference between finals and not playing finals.


The first round match vs Essendon*. It was the worst umpired match I had ever been to. And then the Adelaide match in Adelaide. We had our chances and some bizarre turnovers (such as the one where the umpire ran into Fev) sealed our fate in that match.


The Sydney match was also close. Maybe that is why Roos showed so much joy in that match, as he probably knew that win for the Swans went a long way towards deciding finals placings.


Team selection - more than ever - will be important in 2009. No more "untouchable" selections for certain players eg Russell, Wiggins etc and we should make the finals in 2009.


But, yeah, even with all their concessions- what Sydney have done in the last 5 years is impressive. They have made mistakes, though, recruiting Everitt.... what the? That guy is slower than a snail.


With Sydney's salary cap concessions they were able to afford to buy Barry Hall.

Of course they recruited well as well- Adam Goodes is the perfect example. But really there have been few "pure" teams that have won the competition without some form of assistance from the AFL.

North did I guess in 1999? Can't think of many others.
Adelaide 97? 98?


I think Carlton's key position stocks look pretty good for the future.
eg

Jamison - full back
Waite?? - centre half back
ruck??? - needs someone to step up
kreuzer - ruck/centre half forward
fevola - full forward.

That looks reasonably good for the years ahead anyway.
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They are brave words indeed from Paul in that article.

Roos will leave the swans after a very bad year at the Swans - but he wont come to Carlton.

Paul is an experienced enough couch to understand that with a young list, time must be allowed for player and team development.

But it is clear that in our case - he obviously thinks that the time that was needed to develop the swans list somehow doesnt apply to Carlton - despite us having many first round picks and a very young list.

So Id say that Paul is displaying thinly disguised jealousy - the same jealousy that will be displayed by many more individuals when Carlton triumphs...

Also, now that someone has mentioned it, climate change will be cured due to the effects of the war.

Smoke from fires rises high into the atmosphere and cools the earth.

This reverses the effects of the greenhouse gases.

Anyway, Australia is OK - we dont get bombed.

Things get pretty scary though.

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From the Melbourne thread (after Stynes publicly accused us of tanking)

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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
Because what's the point, where's the advantage to saying things like that?


Because part of "Deflection in football media 101" states

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The "Carlton did it first" defense: Modelled on the Chewbacca defense as authored by Johnny Cochrane

If the incumbent should find themselves under ridicule for not inputting the maximum amount of effort during games or for willfully making breaches of the salary cap, they may be able to avoid further repurcussions should they bring the Carlton Football Club into the discussion. To which the football media would then be required to nod approvingly, consider the case closed and laud them for their conviction...


Also part of this textbook are "Blockbuster fatigue" and "Increase in training intensity" among others.


Only in this case, it's the sub-chapter titled "No matter how bad things look for you, or how irrelevant it is, bitch about Carlton and watch your situation improve"

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Roosy, surely, you got bigger things to worry about this week than us.
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CARLTON: 09'season
30+: Sado.
28 - 29: Stevo, Scoto, Fev.
27: Houli, Wiggo, Ackland, Bano.

Sydney Swans: 09'season
30+: Everitt, Kirk, Hall, O'loughlin, Barry, Crouch, Mathews.
28 - 29: Goodes, Fosdike, Bolton. J, Davis, Bolton. C, O'Keefe, Kennelly, Jolly.
27: Mattner, Buchanan, Ablett.

CARLTON: 09'season
20: Kreuzer, Gibbs, Austin, Browne.
21: Anderson, Bower, Benjamin, Edwards, Grigg, Hampson.

Sydney: 09'season
20: Meredith, Bird, Currie, Veszpremi.
21: O'Keefe, O'Dwyer, Smith, Faulks, Thornton, White.

Jealous??..........your jealous........ :P

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Michael Jezz wrote:
I think it is a fallacy to say we have a great list. I would say we have one of the worst list of key position players in the competition. If you consider age, talent & amount of genuine key position players available, Carltons key position stocks would be in the bottom 4 sides. That is why we don't make finals and I am not sure we can fix it 12 months either



1979 Norm Smith medal wrote:
In a way - what he said is correct. With our list we should have made the finals.


There were two key losses that I think were the difference between finals and not playing finals.


The first round match vs Essendon*. It was the worst umpired match I had ever been to. And then the Adelaide match in Adelaide. We had our chances and some bizarre turnovers (such as the one where the umpire ran into Fev) sealed our fate in that match.


The Sydney match was also close. Maybe that is why Roos showed so much joy in that match, as he probably knew that win for the Swans went a long way towards deciding finals placings.


Team selection - more than ever - will be important in 2009. No more "untouchable" selections for certain players eg Russell, Wiggins etc and we should make the finals in 2009.


But, yeah, even with all their concessions- what Sydney have done in the last 5 years is impressive. They have made mistakes, though, recruiting Everitt.... what the? That guy is slower than a snail.


You forgot to have a crack at Ratten

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1979 Norm Smith medal wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
I think it is a fallacy to say we have a great list. I would say we have one of the worst list of key position players in the competition. If you consider age, talent & amount of genuine key position players available, Carltons key position stocks would be in the bottom 4 sides. That is why we don't make finals and I am not sure we can fix it 12 months either



1979 Norm Smith medal wrote:
In a way - what he said is correct. With our list we should have made the finals.


There were two key losses that I think were the difference between finals and not playing finals.


The first round match vs Essendon*. It was the worst umpired match I had ever been to. And then the Adelaide match in Adelaide. We had our chances and some bizarre turnovers (such as the one where the umpire ran into Fev) sealed our fate in that match.


The Sydney match was also close. Maybe that is why Roos showed so much joy in that match, as he probably knew that win for the Swans went a long way towards deciding finals placings.


Team selection - more than ever - will be important in 2009. No more "untouchable" selections for certain players eg Russell, Wiggins etc and we should make the finals in 2009.


But, yeah, even with all their concessions- what Sydney have done in the last 5 years is impressive. They have made mistakes, though, recruiting Everitt.... what the? That guy is slower than a snail.


With Sydney's salary cap concessions they were able to afford to buy Barry Hall.

Of course they recruited well as well- Adam Goodes is the perfect example. But really there have been few "pure" teams that have won the competition without some form of assistance from the AFL.

North did I guess in 1999? Can't think of many others.
Adelaide 97? 98?


I think Carlton's key position stocks look pretty good for the future.
eg

Jamison - full back
Waite?? - centre half back
ruck??? - needs someone to step up
kreuzer - ruck/centre half forward
fevola - full forward.

That looks reasonably good for the years ahead anyway.


As well as their "cost of living" salary cap concessions, there is the lifetime exemption from the tribunal card that they have firmly in their possession.

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blueman wrote:
Smoke from fires rises high into the atmosphere and cools the earth.


That is impossible.

The only things that can put enough particles into the atmosphere to cool the earth are a large meteor strike or a very very large volcano explosion.

Even if half the forests in the world were on fire it would do diddly squat.

... back to the topic. :)

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Wow Jarr...........

i wonder if there's a book i could read about said topic.............?


kindest regards tommi

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There could be!

.... back to the topic. :)

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Whatisitagain...............?


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i've always loved roos, but he seems to be getting a little bitter in his old age :shock: he wasnt such a grump when the swans won their flag...

oh well, we (the club and the fans) need these comments to 'harden up' as we'll be hearing a lot more of them over the next 5-6 years... but by then we'll be too busy counting our cups down at Visy Park 8) :-D

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