As i said we need a plan B as far attacking footy.Is that possible when
1 Players are poor kicks
2 Dont know where to run
3 Dont run hard enough when they havent got the ball
4 Dont put enough blocks and pressure in the first place and play selfish footy

Your missing the point

I am not against tempo footy
But I am against it when you are behind and its the 20min mark.

I love Juddy because he is not only dynamic he is super tough
Will guys like Stevens and Carrazzo show any defensive side to their game.
Judd and Bentick would be sick and tired putting their bodies on the line whilst their fellow comrades wait for the pretty stat.
So Geelong didnt score
Big deal
I want the club to improve and address the problems we have which I have stated in the 4 points above.
If their addressed we wont have to play soccer as often.

I just heard a bit of Paul Roos with KB. Roos came out strongly in favour of Ratts. Said that tempo footy is very important in today's game, it makes Carlton less predictable and he hopes ratts sticks with it against the criticism

If Ratts changes the style of play he has the boys playing because of criticism from the outer, then I would have some serious issues with him for doing that.

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I agree.

I don't mind us doing it to stop a run on or deep into a quarter. If an oppostion coach wants to stop it they can do it quite easily. A pre game instruction would be as soon as an oppostion player holds the ball up in the air, every player pick up an opponent and make it a contest.

Agree Jez, Keogh, would you have preferred us to have gone in at half time 50 points down and game over? Geelong were always going to come hard in the third and especially so given that we were still in the game, something that wouldn't have been the case had we not played tempo footy.

Sure we could have started with only a few minutes left on the clock. But that would have been closing the gate after the horse had bolted. I could just imagine the comments that would be written on this site had that happened like 'Why didn't Ratts do something to stop Geelong's momentum?' Well he did do something and it worked.

I guess as an alternative we could have picked a fight (a reknowned tactic for teams lacking skill and smarts) because as you noted above 'we don't have the cattle to execute breaking zones because our foot skills and smarts and run are not good enough' but that would have just fired Geelong up and looked truly pathetic and desperate and possibly resulted in reports (which we just don't need).

So Geelong didn't kick straight and if they had the margin would have been greater. So what. Bad kicking is bad footy, it can lose you games. Essendon* didn't kick straight in the 1999 Preliminary Final if they had we wouldn't have been talking about one of our greatest (and most satisfying wins).

I dont care what tactics we use as long as we win.. I bet people wouldnt ve been so critical of tempo footy if we d won on Saturday...

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it's the best tactic employed when the oppostion are on momentum.

Ratts mentioned on radio before the game that a lot of Geelong's wins have come from bursts of goals in games - 5 goals in 7 minutes, or 7 goals in 15 mins, etc. And if you go back over their games, you'll find that he is right.

That's what was happening on Saturday and the game was slipping. Ratts knew this and I'm sure so did Juddy. We had a choice of going in at half time 2 or 3 goals and technically still in the game, or 6 or 7 down and game over. I did think 7 minutes before the half may have been a bit early but, as has been mentioned by other posters, there were many reasons for doing it and I have no problem with it.

In our development, the chance for the skills to be tested under pressure is invaluable. Obviously it wasn't physical pressure, but pressure that comes from what would happen if you turn it over. I'm sure Setanta was nervous and probably had to change his shorts as half time as a result, but it's got to be good in the long run that they got through it without giving it up.

If you don't like it because of the way it 'looks', then I think you're missing the big picture.

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I'm glad you mentioned the bombers game, you are correct, we didn't carry out the tactic correctly in this game whilst against the pies we did it to perfection.

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It shouldn't be the only tactic employed to wrest momentum away from the opposition.

It's ugly, unentertaining footy.

A bit of imagination please....

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We were well and truly smashed because some of our players dont work hard enough when we dont have the ball.If its not one in all in your [REDACTED] these days. We have too many passengers.
The last 10 minutes of the half was a reaction to that. geelong were so dominant we had to do it didnt we . What about addressing the issues that cause the problem in the first place.

Why is there 3 geelong jumpers hanging onto Judd nearly every time he is in a pack. Where is the support in a navy blue top. No where to be seen.
That tactic used properly is extremley effective when used at the right time.
I thought the idea was to win a game of football the best way you can not play kick to kick when your 3 goals down.
And it didnt work. Geelong came out and fired because we basically said to them . We cant win. How can you support that theory is beyond comprehension. We conceded defeat.

Collingwood took the game up to geelong
We didnt
And its because we
1 Have too many soft players
2 A game plan that needs another attacking option
3 Poor kicking

As for bad kicking being no big deal I bet you wouldnt be saying that if the score was

25 8 168
9 8 62

A lot of Geelong's shots were easy misses.

Dont you want the club to address the problems that still exist( we have been shit for 3 weeks) or think that Juddy, and a host of number one picks will bring us to that one day in september.
Think that and your dreaming...

Crap football, we were behind and should have been trying to score, not defending by running the clock down.
We didnt have the confidence to mount an attack and thats dissapointing considering we were trailing.

Players learned nothing and with our level of skill its a dangerous practice IMO unless you are defending a lead with minimal time left in the game.

The only thing it did was signal to Geelong we lacked confidence in our own abilities to mount a decent attack with a plan to work to......

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im glad to see we can actually do this now...unlike a few years ago.

We look our best running it up through the corridor and driving it long to fev though. Get on the offence Carlton, we look good when we do with our great midfield and forward in fev and worry opposition teams.

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Agree with this, and with what Molsey said.

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Geelong had just scored 3 goals in under 5 minutes.
We retained possession to stifle their momentum which we did successfully and not only that, Carlton scored the only ensuing goal.

If that isn't a legitimate, succesful tactic, what is?

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I would not be so dead against it if our players were taught how to execute it effectively. We look like amateurs. Has anyone who has gone to training recently seen the boys practice this tempo gameplan under pressure?

Also do you think the tempo game plan can lose its effectiveness and can be countered quite easily if we play it for too long. Yes they got on a bit of a roll before we employed it but by doing so we gave up the opportunity to get a couple of goals against the run of play and rebuild our confidence. Our first quarter effort against the Cats was the best I have seen this year only for it to be replaced by a defensive bunker down mindset which flowed over into the second half.

Whilst there is room for tempo football , Ratten made the wrong call on that occasion


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Keogh, yes I do want the club to address the problems we have and I believe they will given time. We're young, we're learning and played a team who are way ahead of us in the development game. It took Thompson 7 seasons to get Geelong to the point they are today and you're expecting our team to have all the answers now

I don't believe being blown away on the scoreboard by half time does anything to further a teams development. You didn't answer the question - 'would you would you have preferred us to have gone in at half time 50 points down and game over?'

I don't believe we conceded defeat by taking that approach. We were taking control of a situation that very quickly could have been out of control. Geelong didn't come out and fire because we basically said to them we can't win. They were always going to come out hard in the third quarter and put the foot down. You have heard of the term the 'Premiership Quarter' to describe the 3rd term where games are won or lost. They had something to prove to themselves and their supporters (that the Collingwood game was just a blip) we just happened to be playing them the week after.

That thought process is the difference between the way us supporters look at the situation and the way coaches and players look at the situation.

Our players would be viewing it not as defeat, but as we knew that their run was on (and every team has one) and we denied them the ball. We played on our terms not theirs.

The problem of the third term was more that they went up a gear and we were in top gear already - we had no more to give, that is where we are at the moment, if we could then we wouldn't be sitting in 11th on the ladder.

For some reaosn people on here have this expectation that we are a top 4 side with the talent we have on the park and that it's just a case that Ratten isn't extracting this out of them. The reality of the list at the moment is that we have started from a very long way back. Our skill base is not up to Top 8 standard and is the first issue that needs to be addressed, until that is rectified then any plans that the coach try to teach the players won't be executed and therefor we will not see the direction that the coach is trying to develop.

http://carltonfc.com.au/tabid/4311/Default.aspx?newsid=60815

Attached is the video of Mark Riley discussing tempo footy.

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