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Our Match committee has a lot to answer for tonight. Granted I am not privy to injury & form but you have to select players on the basis of their ability to play in a top four side.

a) Acland stole another development game from Hampson. I would rather Hampson get beaten in his second year and gain some experience than take up space with a guy who is not afl standard


b) Bentick, Wiggins and Hadley - can not play in the same side. We need more run if we are to be a top 4 contender. So why drop ellard or play another runner


c) Bentick & Carazzo can not Mix it with the top midfielders in the competition so play Gibbs on the ball

d) O'hailpin is a genuine backman and better than Waite

e) Waite needs to replace fisher in the forward line

IMO, the match commitee has not selected the right players in the right posiions this year


Jezza, nobody's taking you seriously but I will, because the MC themselves would probably admit they got a few wrong tonight.

On your points -

a) Ackland - they got it dead wrong. Hammo should've played. Not many players are a disgrace to the jumper - but Ackland is. Won't play again.

b) and c) Yes, we're slow. Bentick, as much as we love him as a gutsy hard worker and honest trier, is simply not in our best 22. He ends up at the bottom of a lot of packs and holds the ball in, but he lacks that '2nd step' in his play - the ability to create something from the stoppages in which he's involved. If we had no injuries, he wouldn't be in the side.

d) Setanta is also just playing cos of injuries. I'm a bit pessimistic about his and his brother's chances of making it long term. MC's hands are tied here.

e) Disagree with you Jezz - Waite is a backman, pure and simple. He can;t play forward because he has no footy brain and cannot kick the ball. He is better off being led to the ball by the opposition.

If you look at the BUllants, we don;t have much to come in, so the MC's hands are tied. Hampson was the glaring mistake.


On last night's form O'hailpin is a far superior backman than Waite. I do not understand how you can groom someone for centerhalf back when you can not play body on body and your disposal is poor. At least with O'hailpin you get the right physical mix. What is more We miss Waite in the forward line.

My Other point not properly expressed in the original post is that the match committee are using injuries as an excuse to pick mediocre players ahead of kids. Clearly, given our injuries you would pick Ellard ahead of Bentick (can not give a kid one game to develop him) and I would have picked Edwards instead of Wiggins. Yes, Wiggins played a good game for one match but he is not the future. Edwards form might have been questionable but these are weeks when you give the kid the chance to step up. At least with selections like that you walk away from the game saying "I learnt something about our list". I mean match committee certainly have not picked Russel purely on form but at least if Russel gets delisted you can say we gave him every opportunity.


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What is mediocrity?


Something the Final 8 rewards. :wink:


It is actually what the DRAFT rewards


The draft rewards that which is less than mediocre.

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I think it was an excellent decision to play Ackland over Hampson last night. For the past 5 years everyone has been saying we aren't playing for our future and we dont have any foresight. Well last night proved that we clearly do.

Why in the world would we play two skinny 18 year old ruckman against a known dog Charman. Why would we throw two kids at a guy that goes out each week with the intention of kneeing opponents when theyre on the ground. If Hampson and or Kreuz got injured last night due to Charman jumping all over them, everyone would be saying how stupid it is to throw our two genuinely talented big men to the slaughter.

Last night proved that we are going to allow our big men to develop and we are no longer just throwing everyone in for the sake of it.

Let the MC do their job because they're doing a bloody good job of it at the moment!

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Great post MB. Exactly why Ackland was played last night.

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Said it before and I'll keep saying it.
OHailpin-Backman only (punch, smother, harrass, nothing fancy, keep his man down to something reasonable)
Waite-Not a backman, not a forward, he's a natural winger. Give him the open spaces and tell the boy to run up and down from hb to hf. He could be anything on a wing with a licence to thrill
Fisher forward pocket, decoy for Fev, goes into goalsquare when Fev on a lead, drags defenders away when Fev needs space
Cloke to play CHF and support Hammer and Krueze

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I think we can only afford to play one of either Hadley or Bentick...

Put Fisher closer to goal because he cant kick further than 40 meters.

I also think we have to stop being so Fev conscious. Hopefully we use our first pick in the draft to pick up a forward (maybe even get back Kennedy).

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99prelim wrote:
Said it before and I'll keep saying it.
OHailpin-Backman only (punch, smother, harrass, nothing fancy, keep his man down to something reasonable)
Waite-Not a backman, not a forward, he's a natural winger. Give him the open spaces and tell the boy to run up and down from hb to hf. He could be anything on a wing with a licence to thrill
Fisher forward pocket, decoy for Fev, goes into goalsquare when Fev on a lead, drags defenders away when Fev needs space
Cloke to play CHF and support Hammer and Krueze


Yes.
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well this is going well! Good to see many posters have reached a maturity on tc and ignore some of the hysteria after a loss. I laughed and laughed at the learned discussion on mediocrity - golden stuff from Jars Verbs and ponkstar!


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Probably find Hampson.. Austin and Joey will be given chances this week...

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TruBlueBrad wrote:
Great post MB. Exactly why Ackland was played last night.




So let me get this straight

For whatever reason you preferred Ackland over Jacobs and Hampson
More conservative than a Howard government

Pathetic as Ackland's peformance


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Probably find Hampson.. Austin and Joey will be given chances this week...


Saw today's game Synbad, whilst I agree about Hampson and Joey I am not sure about Austin.

His last two weeks have been a great improvement but for me needs to play some more and add some size yet but the signs are good. Looks a potential CHB to me.

Ellard, Pfieffer, Armfield and Joseph/Jacobs (if we had a spot) would be pushing as well.

Cloke, Bannister & Hartlett might be available this week?


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simonverbeek wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
Our Match committee has a lot to answer for tonight. Granted I am not privy to injury & form but you have to select players on the basis of their ability to play in a top four side.

a) Acland stole another development game from Hampson. I would rather Hampson get beaten in his second year and gain some experience than take up space with a guy who is not afl standard


b) Bentick, Wiggins and Hadley - can not play in the same side. We need more run if we are to be a top 4 contender. So why drop ellard or play another runner


c) Bentick & Carazzo can not Mix it with the top midfielders in the competition so play Gibbs on the ball

d) O'hailpin is a genuine backman and better than Waite

e) Waite needs to replace fisher in the forward line

IMO, the match commitee has not selected the right players in the right posiions this year


Jezza, nobody's taking you seriously but I will, because the MC themselves would probably admit they got a few wrong tonight.

On your points -

a) Ackland - they got it dead wrong. Hammo should've played. Not many players are a disgrace to the jumper - but Ackland is. Won't play again.

b) and c) Yes, we're slow. Bentick, as much as we love him as a gutsy hard worker and honest trier, is simply not in our best 22. He ends up at the bottom of a lot of packs and holds the ball in, but he lacks that '2nd step' in his play - the ability to create something from the stoppages in which he's involved. If we had no injuries, he wouldn't be in the side.

d) Setanta is also just playing cos of injuries. I'm a bit pessimistic about his and his brother's chances of making it long term. MC's hands are tied here.

e) Disagree with you Jezz - Waite is a backman, pure and simple. He can;t play forward because he has no footy brain and cannot kick the ball. He is better off being led to the ball by the opposition.

If you look at the BUllants, we don;t have much to come in, so the MC's hands are tied. Hampson was the glaring mistake.


I'm also very skeptical about O'hailpin. Just doesn't have any composure. Sure he's an athlete but he's not a footballer. He's 25 now and he seems to have not really improved much for a while. The only time I think he looks okay is deep forward or Key backman in a pure shut down role, but he doesnt have the composure to play in the backline when we get the ball.


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i like the kreuzer CHF


hampson , jacobs ruck duo suggestion

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Probably find Hampson.. Austin and Joey will be given chances this week...


Saw today's game Synbad, whilst I agree about Hampson and Joey I am not sure about Austin.

His last two weeks have been a great improvement but for me needs to play some more and add some size yet but the signs are good. Looks a potential CHB to me.

Ellard, Pfieffer, Armfield and Joseph/Jacobs (if we had a spot) would be pushing as well.

Cloke, Bannister & Hartlett might be available this week?


Its what im hearing.

Personally id like to see Armfield in for Jordy...
and Jospeh for Carrots too...

Id like to see how the team goes without Carrots right now...

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Mighty Blues wrote:
I think it was an excellent decision to play Ackland over Hampson last night. For the past 5 years everyone has been saying we aren't playing for our future and we dont have any foresight. Well last night proved that we clearly do.

Why in the world would we play two skinny 18 year old ruckman against a known dog Charman. Why would we throw two kids at a guy that goes out each week with the intention of kneeing opponents when theyre on the ground. If Hampson and or Kreuz got injured last night due to Charman jumping all over them, everyone would be saying how stupid it is to throw our two genuinely talented big men to the slaughter.

Last night proved that we are going to allow our big men to develop and we are no longer just throwing everyone in for the sake of it.

Let the MC do their job because they're doing a bloody good job of it at the moment!


Yep, well I loved seeing the Hack butcher every ball he got, fail to make the distance from 30 and 40 metres, stand there like a statue in the circle, and feed hospital balls to his team mates. Juddy must've thought it was a great MC call as well !!

Did Kreuzer get killed (inj) by Charman ? Nup. Sure, I'd love to have a mediocre mature ruckman to play while our kids develop, BUT I draw the line at having to endure watching the worst ever player to pull on a CFC jumper :evil:


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Thought if we had made some different decisions at MC we may have had an opportunity to enforce changes to the Brisbane set ups.

Firstly the reluctance to select another tall (either hampson or aisake) allowed Brisbane to feel comfortable with their selection of Mitch Clarke for leunberger. (brisbanes development of talls is unquestionable).

More importantly it also allowed brisbane to press another midfielder into the squad.

What I would have liked to have seen is brisbane pushing another tall to cover our third ruckman, at the expence of either a small defender or forward or even midfielder.

The additional tall would have also helped our forward structure, pushing him along side fev and fisher. The rotations of kruiser and hampson between ruck and the full forward line, might well have caused brisbane to push bradshaw down back? And who knows how brown would have copped without bradshaw playing the decoy???

With this in mind, players such as wiggins and russell serve a better purpose leading up the wings to help support our half back line, rather than being the undersized forward target.

Finally, like to see waite moved across as our 190cm wing man. Would be more than capable of covering the flanks popping into the forward 50 as another forward option or down back to assist in defence. This may have been difficult due to injuries, but like to see this move as I believe CHB is not waites position, and limits his use of leap, run and enigmatic goal kicking ability.

Hopefully our MC can be a little more dearing and create problems for our opponents, with bold changes. We have youth and time to experiement we may well find opposition teams less likely to sit back on fev, and think twice of loading their side of midfielders to overcome our only advantage.


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Mighty Blues wrote:
I think it was an excellent decision to play Ackland over Hampson last night. For the past 5 years everyone has been saying we aren't playing for our future and we dont have any foresight. Well last night proved that we clearly do.

Why in the world would we play two skinny 18 year old ruckman against a known dog Charman. Why would we throw two kids at a guy that goes out each week with the intention of kneeing opponents when theyre on the ground. If Hampson and or Kreuz got injured last night due to Charman jumping all over them, everyone would be saying how stupid it is to throw our two genuinely talented big men to the slaughter.

Last night proved that we are going to allow our big men to develop and we are no longer just throwing everyone in for the sake of it.

Let the MC do their job because they're doing a bloody good job of it at the moment!


The problem is the recruiting of Ackland in the first place as the 'experienced' ruckman being as useless as he is. If we didn't get him, perhaps we could have gone for a Cam Wood (ie. someone who has SOME ability).


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MIL wrote:
Mighty Blues wrote:
I think it was an excellent decision to play Ackland over Hampson last night. For the past 5 years everyone has been saying we aren't playing for our future and we dont have any foresight. Well last night proved that we clearly do.

Why in the world would we play two skinny 18 year old ruckman against a known dog Charman. Why would we throw two kids at a guy that goes out each week with the intention of kneeing opponents when theyre on the ground. If Hampson and or Kreuz got injured last night due to Charman jumping all over them, everyone would be saying how stupid it is to throw our two genuinely talented big men to the slaughter.

Last night proved that we are going to allow our big men to develop and we are no longer just throwing everyone in for the sake of it.

Let the MC do their job because they're doing a bloody good job of it at the moment!


Yep, well I loved seeing the Hack butcher every ball he got, fail to make the distance from 30 and 40 metres, stand there like a statue in the circle, and feed hospital balls to his team mates. Juddy must've thought it was a great MC call as well !!

Did Kreuzer get killed (inj) by Charman ? Nup. Sure, I'd love to have a mediocre mature ruckman to play while our kids develop, BUT I draw the line at having to endure watching the worst ever player to pull on a CFC jumper :evil:


What he said.


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