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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:53 am 
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Caro is losing what cred she had.

But from the club's perspective, it couldn't be simpler:

Give Fev a 3 year deal on good money (that's what he'd get from any other club) but put in a caveat that if he's involved in an alcohol-related incident, he has to agree to the club trading him at the end of that season.

He gets his 3 year deal. He gets to stay at Carlton if he behaves. We get compensated if he screws up and we have to cut him.

Brilliant. I'll just get Swanny on the phone now 8)


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Caro is losing what cred she had.

But from the club's perspective, it couldn't be simpler:

Give Fev a 3 year deal on good money (that's what he'd get from any other club) but put in a caveat that if he's involved in an alcohol-related incident, he has to agree to the club trading him at the end of that season.

He gets his 3 year deal. He gets to stay at Carlton if he behaves. We get compensated if he screws up and we have to cut him.

Brilliant. I'll just get Swanny on the phone now 8)


And you don't think there'd be an incentive for players from other clubs to get him on the turps? And what if he screws up by Round 2? Do we then have to put up with a petulant little shit who knows he's burnt his bridges?

I'm okay with a two year deal (no-one at 28 should be offered more) with major penalties for Brendan if he flowers up.

That way the ball's in our court rather than his and any issues will hurt Brendan more than they will the club.

I want Fevola to be a Carlton player for life. There are few who can turn a match like he can and if he ends up at another club due to an off-field issue whilst at our club they'll get the benefits of any remorse while we're left with bugger all.

The club and Fevola need to find an agreed level of acceptable behaviour and add a clause to his contract that he'll forfeit as much as half his annual contact dollars (for example) for a season if he transgresses.

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JohnM wrote:
Caro is losing what cred she had.

But from the club's perspective, it couldn't be simpler:

Give Fev a 3 year deal on good money (that's what he'd get from any other club) but put in a caveat that if he's involved in an alcohol-related incident, he has to agree to the club trading him at the end of that season.

He gets his 3 year deal. He gets to stay at Carlton if he behaves. We get compensated if he screws up and we have to cut him.

Brilliant. I'll just get Swanny on the phone now 8)

With respect john, that is the dumbest idea I've ever heard. What currency would Fev have if he f___d up again?

$0.

We would end up subsidizing his contract for the rest of life and get SFA for him.

Either trade him this year and get rewards for the hard work we've put in, or give him a 1 year deal. He doesn't deserve anything, so he should be happy to accept what he's offered. The idea of a 3 year deal sends me cold.

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I can't believe some people want to offer a legitimate star of the game only a bag of chips and some change to stay at Carlton - and expect him to jump at it. These are the same idiots that would probably sell the farm to get Buddy in navy blue.
... and people have the stones to call Caroline Wilson a moron with bias ... take a look at what is written in response to her article here to see who the real fools are.


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I can't believe some people want to offer a legitimate star of the game only a bag of chips and some change to stay at Carlton - and expect him to jump at it. These are the same idiots that would probably sell the farm to get Buddy in navy blue.
... and people have the stones to call Caroline Wilson a moron with bias ... take a look at what is written in response to her article here to see who the real fools are.


Showbag, stop being a showbag and look at the big picture. You get stars in your eyes after 3 good games and think we'll all live happily ever after.

WE OWE HIM NOTHING!!

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I reckon 10 or 11 other clubs would let him piss all over town if he was kicking 7 a game.

It's nonsense to think we can replace him with someone off the current list.

Give him two years and a few conditions. No big deal.

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showbag wrote:
I can't believe some people want to offer a legitimate star of the game only a bag of chips and some change to stay at Carlton - and expect him to jump at it. These are the same idiots that would probably sell the farm to get Buddy in navy blue.
... and people have the stones to call Caroline Wilson a moron with bias ... take a look at what is written in response to her article here to see who the real fools are.


I've got no problem with a nice juicy contract for Fev; he's a star and deserves to be in the top 2 most highly paid players at the club. I just want him to agree to the type of conditions I listed earlier.

If he's not willing to do that then it's hard to be convinced that he's committed to putting the club's best interests over his own inadequacies.

If he doesn't screw up we're all happy. If he does screw up we have insurance and he'll pay more than we do.

It's not that difficult an equation is it?

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It is GWS, because we have to abide by a salary cap and want a list that goes as close to it as possible (without going over :wink: ) to get the maximum out of the team. Given he's on his last chance, we can't afford multiple years with big dollars. If we commit to 2 or 3 years at $400k per annum and he Fs up after 3 months, we're [REDACTED] - not Fev - US!!

We need to make sure the players on our list that take the lions share of the cap can be trusted to play good footy without major F ups for the entirity oif their contracts. Unfortunately, Fev can't give us that gurantee and the AFLPA won't let us sign a contrcat with the rules that we want.

1 year, end of story.

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Unfortunately, Fev can't give us that gurantee and the AFLPA won't let us sign a contrcat with the rules that we want.


I didn't mean Fevola literally pays us back - you turn it around for the sake of the contact and AFLPA rules.

Half now - half at the end of each year based on "performance related benchmarks". There are a stack of players who have performance bonuses. We just stack Fev's contract with them. He keeps his nose clean and plays well - he gets the full amount.

Who do you think should be the club's second highest paid player?

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1 year at $250k with the promise to increase it IF he performs.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll:

Funniest thing I have read all year!

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fevola will be the clubs all time highest goal kicker that won'r be broken in 20 yrs and eternal legend of the club - forget everything else...he will play till he is 32-33y.o and continue to kick bags of goals.


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Youre not being realistic Duke
Fev wont accept a one year contract and nor should he. We can beat our chests all we like, but we have to tread very carefully here and weigh up every possible option pragmatically.


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Josh Kaplan wrote:
Youre not being realistic Duke
Fev wont accept a one year contract and nor should he. We can beat our chests all we like, but we have to tread very carefully here and weigh up every possible option pragmatically.


Where will he go Josh? Melbourne? Richmond? If there are sooooo many teams "lining" up to give him multi year delas - who are they and how will they get him before Melbourne do? Do you think he would slip through to a top 8 team in the PSD? I don't.

Okay, I'd offer a 1 year $250k base with incentives for either goals kicked or wins. I'd probably go for wins given that goals would mean he wouldn't do the team thing. $12,000 for every win he plays in. That would give him extraordinary amount in his pocket if he behaves himself and contributes.

Other than that, why should we worry about losing him? How will he get to Essendon* or Collingwood or Geelong, or Brisbane?????

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I'll tip a two year deal as middle ground and it also gives Fev an out to Gold Coast if he wants some bigger bucks...in fact I reckon there will be several two year deals being signed by star players ie J Brown is out of contract and if only does a two year deal then I reckon he is going to GC...
Going to be like the Indian Premier league when Gold Coast start up....players/managers will be asking for and getting some big dollars..

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Free agency dream player =Fev.

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Elwood Blues1 wrote:
I'll tip a two year deal as middle ground and it also gives Fev an out to Gold Coast if he wants some bigger bucks...in fact I reckon there will be several two year deals being signed by star players ie J Brown is out of contract and if only does a two year deal then I reckon he is going to GC...
Going to be like the Indian Premier league when Gold Coast start up....players/managers will be asking for and getting some big dollars..


And that's why we shouldn't offer a 2 year deal. Uncontracted and free to go gives us Jack when the GC come on line. A 1 year deal means we can re-evaluate his worth at the end of 2009 and offer another 2 year contract if he's a good boy.

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Caro writes an article and then we go speculating on what Fev will be signed for.

There was no tip from the club. There was no whisper in her wax filled ear.

He is playing.

He is out of contract at year end.

He has no manager.

He might sign with Voss/Lynch management team.

She has cobbled together a story and everyone hear starts talking about 1 year deals and what not.

Flower her off and move on to something more believeable and that is this week's game.

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Only 12 more goals and Fev goes past the other famous number 25 for the Blues.

Do it this week Fev. :-D

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It IS speculation DUC, but that's what it's all about isn't it? There was lots of speculation about Judd coming home and have a lokk what happened.

I think it is a story if players and managers are talking about it. How can it not be?

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It IS speculation DUC, but that's what it's all about isn't it? There was lots of speculation about Judd coming home and have a lokk what happened.

I think it is a story if players and managers are talking about it. How can it not be?


But he hasn't got a manager yet.

Whilst I agree its all speculation and that there is nothing wrong with discussing it, I just wish she would speculate elsewhere.

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