His heart been broken Day IN Day out so hes frustrated - Alot feel like that.

But the simple reality of is that it gonna take time - Patience is sometimes a very hard work to relate to in this current world but we have to have it along with clear & precise plans for thr club to get to where it needs to be - Top 4 everyyear, starting from next year.

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Now that there is just plain WRONG!!!!

The game now is exactly about getting in and under, because the rules protect the player so much that if you go in hard for the ball, more than likely you will win the ball or a free.
Yes you need you outside players just as much to creat the run, but lets not forget that possession is 9 tenths of the game.

I suggest you take a chill pill and break up the game into segments. Then look at the segments we play well and the one when we don't. You will see that when we play well, we move the ball quickly and accurately and look as good as any team in the comp. The problem is that when you look at the segments where we play bad, it's poor disposal and lack of intesity from certain players that kill any momentum we have. This is where you can critisize the coach, however I don't see the bad sections as bad coaching, but bad execution of skills and laziness. Now some of this can be blamed on the coach, but for the most part it's more to do with a losing culture and lack of development over the years.

You did not understand my point which is that you will not win games in modern football any more just because you win the contested football. Of course that is important. Our problem is that our outside work and delivery by foot has not improved under Ratten. There are 4 or 5 key points that the coach can have some real imput: fitness, strength, player selection, skill development and game plan. Sorry, up to now, I have not seen improvement in any of those areas. Saturday proved that our recruiting has improved & only recruiting of ready made players as opposed to player development. Judd, Hadley, Kruezer, Pfeiffer are all ready made players.... Long way to go and I support Ratten but there are
worrying signs and he needs to start hitting his straps sooner rather than later.

1. Ratten has stated that his focus was to have fittness improved to peak mid way through the season rather than doing hard pre seasons to get player primed for round 1. This would make some sense given the extreemly young list we have and the risk of breakdown of young players over the long season. I am prepared to see how this plays out in the timeframe Ratts has set.

2. We have the youngest playing side in the comp. Expecting our players to have the strength required is beyond the coaches ability as it takes 2 pre-seasons at least to develop the strength needed.

3. Agree fully on this one, but I think that 3 weeks isn't long enough to see how he manages the selections and what style of coach he is

4.Skill development and gameplan are one in the same. If you don't possess the skills then you will not be able to play the gameplan. I believe that Ratts has doubled the amount of skills drill work than what they were doing under Pagan. The fruits of this labour will take time, how much is anyones guess, but after 3 rounds I can see an improvement from last years. Coming from so far back our skills are still very ordinary, but at least there is some there unlike previous years.

Is Ratts the man for the job or its it Jobs for the boys, well no-one can answer that for at least another year. He is OUR coach for the moment and I will support him fully, I just hope that all the players do the same.

We had so many of our players that did well but we still lost. Fevola, Judd, Stevens, Murphy, Jamo, Betts, Kruezer (and others) all had excellent games.

It is clear that our game plan is CRAP. We urgently need to start moving the ball down the centre. We need to move the ball fast to the best available position .. long or short option. We need to carry the ball and link up. And I rekon we need to go man on man.

Taking the ball wide .. tempo football is suicide in todays game. We need to take a lead from Geelong and Hawthorn ... and we need to do it now.

Please Ratts ... we have a team that can compete ... change this crappy game plan NOW.

Is this the same Brett Ratten who said Simon Wiggins will be a 200 game player for Carlton? the same Brett Ratten who suggested Adam Bentick should wear his number 7..... we are doooomed!!!

I love the way people think that Ratten inherited a stellar team. We were getting flogged by 10 goal plus margins when he took over and that was a team that had a lot more senior players in it than we have now. Some people need to have more realistic expectations of where we are at. I can't believe how quickly some have turned on Ratts.

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Haven't turned on him, just asking some questions.

Questions that have no real validity for at least another half-dozen matches....

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I think this topic would be better around August this year but 3 things


1 Anyone who reckons that we have played a team who is any good are kidding themselves(that includes StKilda) and our biggest teat so far comes up this Sunday.

2 We have too many soft players who have been allowed to play because our lists have been so ordinary. This would be an area Ratten must address now.

3 We must have a situation like Geelong have where their reserves team can play alltheir list in VFL firsts. Anyone who has seen the standard of VFL seconds know what I am talking about. This would increase the development of our young players.

Would you prefer that he said our players are crap and gee if we had (insert name here) we would have won the game etc.

I would take a coach who talks up his players every day of the week and twice on Sundays over one that thinks he doesn't have the cattle.

Nobody knows what this team's been through etc etc......

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I started this thread and it was never meant to mean bash Ratten. It is about illuminating worrying signs that are indicative of the coach and his department. These are

a) No apparent fitness improvement

b) No strength tackling improvement

c) Questionable team selections (O'hailpin, Bannister)

d) Questionable positional placings (Waite)


It is better that Ratten starts working on these problems now rather than wait. Given that he has most of the resources in place he has not got the same time frame as Pagan.

Some poeple here aren't really in a position to judge here. Ratt's aint the fitness coach (they look ok to me) and I think he'd have a better idea about selections and positions (and know what he has to work with). I think he has started working on a few problems for the team and Waite is a good move. We've been competitive in every game with possibly the worst backline in history. It aint gonna happen overnight, but it will happen.

I wrote the longest post on this, and the server lost it!

I'll sum it up quickly though for the readers at home...

all four of Michael Jezz's arguments are bunkum and the original post should be on the Punt Road End.

There we go.

I just can't wait for my big teat this Sunday!

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Hey, what happened to my post?

Summing up

a)Ratts said fittnes would peak mid year

b) We have a young team and no Lappin, Kouta, Whitnall, Wiggons, Sadington,Bentick etc that were playing last year. How would you expect stronger bodies than last year based on that?

c) Maybe, but unless you in the inner workings of the club, how are we to know if the selections are right or wrong?

d) I like the experimenting of Waite at CHB. Ratts is a least playing players in the positions they were drafted for. Kruez played ruck not back pocket, Gibbs playing stints in the guts etc. Maybe Hoops should be playing forward, but I'll let Ratts do his thing and then only judge him on one question come years end. Do we know who will be our FB, CHB, Ruck and CHF. Already we can safely say that Jamison will be our FB, Waite will be our CHB, Kruiz and Hampson our rucks, we just don't know who our CHF will be yet. That already is a marked improvement from just 6 weeks ago.

Spot on post Melvey this is so true.