Do you think this is 'Weird Science'?

If you do... youre living in lalaland...

If we draft a KP player this year he will be 4 years away...
You cant have everything in this age of drafting and salary caps....



What you can do is drill the players into a single unit...

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This years draft crop

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There's a cryptic message from Juddy in his article...we will get the PP this year.

Read the article again and it will make sense.

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Delusional...

If you 'honestly' believe that there is a cryptic message you are delusional....

The frustrating thing for me is how long we have been totally uncompetative. Collingwood went from a spoon in 99 to consecutive Grand Finals in 02 & 03. Nearly every other club, including Richmond, have had success of varying degrees in the same time we have been anchored to the bottom. Of coarse i understand the implications of the draft penalties but we just haven`t shown anything to give us genuine confidence.In all likelihood we will be 0-4 and possibly 1-11 at the halfway mark this year.I agree with Synbad-we are still years away.I hope im wrong.

settle down fella, he's only a footballer

Who are you, blueman's oracle?

Sticks and Diesel were only footballers. This guy is a talented human being, in a sporting, academic and social sense. He's a bit of a freak. The maturity that shines through in his articles is astounding.

The one proviso is that his conditioning better improve ten-fold from what we saw on Thurs or we'll be laughed at for the next 5 years.

For the record, I agree with the sentiment in this thread that our players are poorly drilled, and that we're miles away. The continued ability of Collingwood to slot youngsters in seamlessly compared with our mixed results with youngsters is a source of continual frustration. Mick Malthouse has got them so far ahead of any club in the development sphere - it shits me no end.

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Hey, i think Juddy's coming along beautifully.. he has come back frm a serious groin injury which had him sidelined for months, and was forced to play in exruciating pain last year, for him to get back to his absolute best will take a little time..

I don't know about anyone else, but Judd looked great on Thursday night, considering he's only at about 70% max! Certainly the most talented guy out there on the park, and Judd said himself it will take some time before he regains his best form, but when he does, boy, watch out!

Another thing you mention about the young kids in the side, I believe with Jamison, Edwards, Hampson etc, all been given game time and showing some potential since Ratts has taken over as coach is a sign that our kids are beginning to properly develop a lot better than in the pagan years..

Hampson and Jamison in particular, have thte ptentail to be very good players for us, and I cant wait to welcome back Fish, Hampson and Kreuzer for next weeks game.

As long as we dont fall for the trap that we've got ourselves into in the past against the Saints, i believe were a good shot next week to give the saints a run for the momney, and hopefully a win!

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Corinthians 9:6- 8

I read the article very closely again and the only cryptic message I could come up with is that he wants to lead South Melbourne Hellas in the A league next season

On this biblical day, is this not blasphemy?

Sticks, is the 'ultimate' in leaders of men.

The greatest player I have seen in my tender years to have donned the CFC.

NOOOOOOOOOOOONE Better!

Diesel had freakish abilities. Juddy is a package, but please wash your mouth out and go to confession.

Sticks, I don't believe is mere mortal....

I think you're missing my point. I agree that Sticks and Diesel were the greatest players I;ve seen. Better than Judd IMO

But they were just footballers. Not qualified to do anything outside the playing field. Imagine if Sticks had to write a newspaper article at 24y.o.

Judd, on the other hand, while not necessarily as good a footballer, or as inspiring a man, is a freakish 'all rounder' in life.

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Not at all. I saw your point. I was just making inference that Sticks was not just a footballer. He was a leader and just a great human being. Are you sure he would not be able to write an article of sort. He was a stock broker I believe, then went into business for himself at an early age.

He sure can sing too! Can Juddy sing?

So Synbad, am I right to say that you think Ratten isn't the man to coach us and that you think Swann, Icke, Pratt & the Board erred in appointing him?

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Wouldn't worry about Judd's groin - from a long term perspective. His loads are being managed like anyone else who goes throuogh a season with OP. The fact that he's 75% fit and still one of the best is cock-stiffeningly good to see.

Its a shame Cam Cloke doesn't have the motor to play as a KPP down back... He's sure as hell got the heart required. From what I saw on Thursday, Hartlett has got a heart like a pea. If you're man enough to drop a bloke behind play, then you had better put on a smile and strut like you meant it. He just stood there like the dog that shat on the rug. Concrete milkshake for that bloke, I suspect.

I think Jamo is still the answer down back. Richo is a beast and he's taken far bigger scalps than Jamo's. What Jamo would love - while he develops into a senior player - is a bit of support. Waite is one of those and so is Thornton... I think T-Bird could've sensed that and gone a little more defensive when the pressure was on.

Carlos is another who is an excellent prospect down back - and 'prospect' is the best we can offer at the moment. Those 15kgs he's missing could be countered with a bit more footy smarts (i.e. positioning, etc). Maybe a few weeks on the DVD player will help him out there.

So, a backline that includes Jamo as the deepest man and Waite, Carlos, Thornton - and lets add Banno - as far up as the centre circle, PLUS the usual midfield support, is about the best we can muster.

I dunno what is running around in the twos, but I would like to think we would've seen them by now.... Hammer and Kruezer coming in might make enough of a difference.

Forget the small defender role for now. We're not good enough to carry a specialist in that role - unless they can play tall in a pinch.

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4 years aways is perfect. That's when we'll be challenging for a premiership, 3-4 years. Look at Hawthorn, the basis of their success is going to be their dominant forwardline on Roughead, Franklin, Boyle and Thorp. Of those Roughead, Franklin and Thorp were picks 2, 5 and 7. (Thorp would have been a top 2 in most drafts other than the superdraft). They got their batch of key position players with early picks. We need to do the same. Now of course key position players aren't always top timber early in the draft. In 2005 there weren't that many. In 2006 there were but we got rooted out of a priority pick. I hope KReuzer can make it as a CHF, I think that's where we need him. In 2004 we had to go and win 10 games. This year there are a lot of quality key position players.....

If you think Thornton, Waite and Jamison are going to be able to stop the likes of Franklin, Roughead, Boyle and Thorp, or a Geelong forward line led by Hawkins, Mooney, Ottens, you're dreaming. And next week we're going to have a tough time manning RIewoldt, Kosi, Gherig. And when we kick it down there Fev is triple teamed while we have the stellar options of second gamer Jake Edwards, Fisher who can barely kick it 40 metres, Hartlett if he's not injured or rubbed out...We need more key positions, simple. Until we have those, you can drill us as much as you like but we're going to struggle.

I want to ask a serious question about this thread. So those inclined to bag what I say simply because I don't barrack for Carlton, try and control yourselves.

Admittedly I'm not really sure how I'd feel if my team was in your position right now and I had to read an article like that from a new player the calibre of Judd.

But..... does this really sit well with all of you? I get what he's saying, but I imagine if it was my team I'd prefer to hear this from a player who'd been there for more than 5 minutes. Captain or not. Maybe a player who had actually suffered though the hard times before taking kinda easy pot shots.

I know you're all in love with Judd right now, as you should be. But is this kind of public chastising really acceptable at this stage of his career with Carlton?

I'm honestly not having a dig at Carlton, or Judd. I'd just be interested to know if anyone else felt it was a little bit premature, as I did.

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He is including himself as someone who will get replaced so i dont see the problem.

I didnt even read it that way.

It's simple at the minute. No FB, CHB, CHF and an erratic FF = no spine. We'll get thumped by any side that's got decent key position players, so I reckon that's about 10 teams ??

Put Santy at FB and leave him there. Jamo's a good player in the Sexton mould, he's a quality flanker but will never be a key possie man. Was sad to see him standing Richo. T Bird....(see Jamo). Leave Waite at CHB, he just goes missing for too long up fwd, and at least adds some dash off HB.

When Hammer and Kreuzer return, and Aisake gets a run, I'd play Cloke at CHF. Big and desperate enough to make a contest, and break a few packs. Hartlett.....suspect he will be returning to SA with Russell, and pretty rapidly.

Surely this draft it has to be key position players, ala Hawthorn. Geez they can even afford to draft Stewie Dew now, who got a lazy 25 touches today