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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:16 pm 
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Dumbest idea yet.

Other people have tried it, and it ceates an outrage because no-one owns the sky, it makes life impossible for astonomers and is poluting by wasting energy.

Here is an example:
http://www.ags.dk/as/sky.htm

In the city of Sonderborg, Denmark, a local high tech company applied a computer controlled long range searchlight beam in short periods, without any public warning.

As a result, the local newspaper gave strange eye witness reports: People claimed to have seen a real UFO!

The searchlight was put on all night long and gave the owner what he wanted, public attention. "Before this action, nobody knew our company. Now everyone knows who and where we are..." The beam was on for fifty nights before actions were made to stop it: Do protests help? Does it help to fight? The answer is YES !

Several associations and private people protested, and the green-minded city of Sonderborg in 1995 put a local ban on this kind of commercials as one of the first towns in Denmark. Several companies tried to evade the city ban protesting against the local ban. A local Disco mounted a new projector in 1996, and the combined searchlights were able to draw a UFO symbol on the sky.

After 3 days it was stopped by the authorities after several citizen protests.


Firstly, on what basis did the locals complain about the lasers?! Remember we are talking about Denmark - a conservative country with very hard laws on terms of conservation and sustainability (much like Holland). For some reason I don't think it would as easy to enforce a ban here - not without a fair share of legal wrangling first.

And instead of denoucing the idea altogether - why not come up with a reasonable substitute instead?? The laser idea was thinking outside the square, can you possibly contribute a similar idea that ticks all the boxes? And cost isn't exactly an issue now is it? If Pratt seriously wanted to go ahead couldn't he just buy a few carbon credits via Visy and pump out the sign for a hour every night after a win?!

You know if you head down to Southbank on any given night, check out what happens every hour on the hour outside Crown. Hmmm... a but wasteful now isn't it? A lot of gas being burnt off for no other reason than a few minutes entertainment. A lot of birds getting scorched.

Can you tell me the difference?!?!?!!!


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Thank you SparkyBlue :wink:

It seems that laserkid doesn't understand the meaning of constructive criticism just yet.......

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Excuse me if I see unsympathetic but light polution is a massive problem world-wide.

"Due to the excess of public and private lighting, it is more and more difficult to find places, in our province, where the dark is such to allow an adequate vision of the celestial vault: on average only 10% of stars are by now visible on the territory, especially in the greater centres. We remain therefore deprived of the biggest natural show: the observation of the universe! Uncontrolled wide-spreading of light pollution constitutes an unjustified energy waste, an alteration of the equilibrium of the ecosystem and an impediment, de facto, to the observation of the sky.

At the Conference of Paris, in June 1992, the UNESCO evidenced the enormous damage brought to astronomy by an excessive artificial illumination and declared the starry sky “Patrimony of the mankind”, to be protected for the future generations"

http://www.cielobuio.org/cielobuio/europe/europe.doc


Just imagine a world where every section of the sky was covered by logo's McDonalds,Nike, Sony, Ford etc. It would be a hell on earth

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Laserkid wrote:
Excuse me if I see unsympathetic but light polution is a massive problem world-wide.

"Due to the excess of public and private lighting, it is more and more difficult to find places, in our province, where the dark is such to allow an adequate vision of the celestial vault: on average only 10% of stars are by now visible on the territory, especially in the greater centres. We remain therefore deprived of the biggest natural show: the observation of the universe! Uncontrolled wide-spreading of light pollution constitutes an unjustified energy waste, an alteration of the equilibrium of the ecosystem and an impediment, de facto, to the observation of the sky.

At the Conference of Paris, in June 1992, the UNESCO evidenced the enormous damage brought to astronomy by an excessive artificial illumination and declared the starry sky “Patrimony of the mankind”, to be protected for the future generations"

http://www.cielobuio.org/cielobuio/europe/europe.doc


Just imagine a world where every section of the sky was covered by logo's McDonalds,Nike, Sony, Ford etc. It would be a hell on earth


...and I don't dispute that - I'm just wondering if you have a reasonable idea to take the place of the 'CFC Grand Laser Spectacular' (c) - rather than taking the astronomer's route and crying 'sky pollution' (there's a terrific observatory in Warburton by the way, one of the best in Victoria - and well away from the Metro).

I've got a question for you -

Have you ever been to Las Vegas? :P

and one more -

Hasn't Pratt (albeit to his financial benefit) done enough to benefit conservation and whatnot to justify a little light show, once a week (hopefully!)... just a teensy, weensy little light in the sky??

C'MON! :-D

(It has to be noted that I DO respect your point, but where is the right drawn between being conservative - and being a passionate Carlton supporter?!) :?:


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wasthesonofapreacherman wrote:
Lasers are faaaaaaaar too inefficient for a club going green. They consume far more electricity than any light, and are incredibly expensive to produce at that size. In fact, I'm unaware of a laser (I've been out of th club/rave scene for years now!) that would be powerful enough to projetct in the sky, a building definitely, but the sky???


There are companies which specialise in laser projections on clouds/buildings etc.

You sure about the electricity consumption?

And you shouldn't need powerful lasers to project into the sky, as opposed to lights, because you're reflecting off smoke or clouds.

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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
wasthesonofapreacherman wrote:
Lasers are faaaaaaaar too inefficient for a club going green. They consume far more electricity than any light, and are incredibly expensive to produce at that size. In fact, I'm unaware of a laser (I've been out of th club/rave scene for years now!) that would be powerful enough to projetct in the sky, a building definitely, but the sky???


There are companies which specialise in laser projections on clouds/buildings etc.

You sure about the electricity consumption?

And you shouldn't need powerful lasers to project into the sky, as opposed to lights, because you're reflecting off smoke or clouds.


How cool would it be if we could use a laser to project the Carlton FC monogram on the moon....

Bluuueee moooon, you saw me standing alone.....

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Laserkid wrote:
Excuse me if I see unsympathetic but light polution is a massive problem world-wide.

"Due to the excess of public and private lighting, it is more and more difficult to find places, in our province, where the dark is such to allow an adequate vision of the celestial vault: on average only 10% of stars are by now visible on the territory, especially in the greater centres. We remain therefore deprived of the biggest natural show: the observation of the universe! Uncontrolled wide-spreading of light pollution constitutes an unjustified energy waste, an alteration of the equilibrium of the ecosystem and an impediment, de facto, to the observation of the sky.

At the Conference of Paris, in June 1992, the UNESCO evidenced the enormous damage brought to astronomy by an excessive artificial illumination and declared the starry sky “Patrimony of the mankind”, to be protected for the future generations"

http://www.cielobuio.org/cielobuio/europe/europe.doc


Just imagine a world where every section of the sky was covered by logo's McDonalds,Nike, Sony, Ford etc. It would be a hell on earth



You ever been out into the country??

There's more stars than there is night sky out there.........

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I reckon every time we win we should abduct a street walker and carve the cfc into her stomach, and then write JUDD in blood on a nearby wall.


Essendon* just drafted a Hooker that would be ideal.

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I live pretty close to the city...there are spotlights flashing in the sky nearly every night of the year... I can never figure out where the hell they come from but have been told that lots of car yards use them (???this could be a load of bull??? - in fact, probably is come to think of it...) but they are coming from somewhere!! I agree that doing something like this would annoy a huge amount of people but... it would sure look good, and no other club really has a symbol as simple and effective as ours...maybe just once??? save it for a big occasion!


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Firearm Fevs wrote:
I was thinking about ways to promote the blues and capture the imagination of many fans....

Something different and truely unique that no club has done, maybe even internationaly.

The idea is related to when we win games of footy and ways of promoting these wins.

The Idea is a Giant Carlton monogram for all to see...........In the sky!

Just like the batman spotlight seen in the shows/movies.

I don't know what running costs would be worth, or if it goes against green house emmisions, and our going green.


Just thought it would be good to promote Carlton wins in some unique ways.

Any ideas?


You could paint it on you cheeks and i'm not talking about the ones on your face. I'm sure that would get people noticed.I would be worried about the greenhouse gases :lol:

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