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Fatprick Smith has his own agenda... the scum have pick 5, that'll be upgraded to pick 4.. if WC lose all their picks, i think they've got 4, we'll end up with #1 and about #32 which isn't so bad.

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First two picks should be taken away. Removal of premiership points is a redundant punishment because you just end up being rewarded by finishing bottom regardless. West Coast are so out of touch it's not funny. They only chucked King Benny at the last gasp with the threat of greater penalties dangling above their heads. Perth needs a prune.


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Completely out of control article by a complete knobhead.

Only good thing about it is that someone other than Carlton are getting a gut kicking for a change.

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actually, as much as I hate the guy, he hots the nail on the head in terms of the collusion of the AFL wioth the Eagles and why that collusion means that neither will rat the other out.

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How on earth are they going to police that on Draft Day? Will they physically call each kid West Coast pick and ask him if he wants to go? What if he says no? What if he is uncontactable? Or later says no? Do you hold up proceedings until you get a response? Will WC get to pick another kid or simply lose the pick? What a legal can of worms that would be. What if he says no, and the kid after him, and the kids after him? What if Melbourme (who for some reason seem to have every pick after WC) get in the ear of Kid X and say "You refuse to go, and we'll pick you up with our next pick". The rorting would be massive (and Carlton will get the blame for it no doubt).

Nothing will come of all this. At 'worst' a fine which will be nothing more than a nuisance to West Coast.


all they have to do is get the potential draft attendees to nominate before the draft begin to see they like to be opted out of being picked by the eagles. If they nominate to be opted out, then the list will be provided to the eagles. otherwise, it is free rein. Not saying this will happen, but it is do-able if they really wanted to.


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And the league must grant any player subsequently chosen by West Coast with its remaining picks the right not to go to Perth.


How on earth are they going to police that on Draft Day? Will they physically call each kid West Coast pick and ask him if he wants to go? What if he says no? What if he is uncontactable? Or later says no? Do you hold up proceedings until you get a response? Will WC get to pick another kid or simply lose the pick? What a legal can of worms that would be. What if he says no, and the kid after him, and the kids after him? What if Melbourme (who for some reason seem to have every pick after WC) get in the ear of Kid X and say "You refuse to go, and we'll pick you up with our next pick". The rorting would be massive (and Carlton will get the blame for it no doubt).

Nothing will come of all this. At 'worst' a fine which will be nothing more than a nuisance to West Coast.


I dont believe giving the kids the right not to go to West Coast is a good idea, but it would be simple to enforce. Ask each kid before the draft if he'd be prepared to go to West Coast, then hand WC a list of players they can draft.

There would still be a stack of kids who wouldn't exclude themselves from an option to be drafted and a lot of WA kids would still prefer to be drafted by a home state team.

Hoping the JK would be returned to us or have his contract voided is really clutching at straws.

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nothing will happen to toasters will not be any penalties.they have been seen to act

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they should give JK the option to nominate for pre-season draft. then we can get him back (hoping Tigers commit to Brennan). don't really care about pick 3 & 18, they can disappear, like what happened to us!


Even though Josh wouldn't want to rock the boat, he could possibly seek legal options under the grounds of the conditions of his contract now being changed, and then nominate for the PSD. It would be a long and messy process, and cause more problems.


what grounds of his contract have changed?


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nothing will happen to toasters will not be any penalties.they have been seen to act


Rubbish

WC are about to be hit with a severe penalty designed at ensuring a clear statement is made that the MAIN priority of the The AFL, the WCE and all clubs is the welfare of its people rather than on field success. It is a vital step in ensuring the competition is protected from current and future duty of care damage actions.


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TruBlueBrad wrote:
Filthy Teeve wrote:
This is a stupid comment from the article

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And the league must grant any player subsequently chosen by West Coast with its remaining picks the right not to go to Perth.


How on earth are they going to police that on Draft Day? Will they physically call each kid West Coast pick and ask him if he wants to go? What if he says no? What if he is uncontactable? Or later says no? Do you hold up proceedings until you get a response? Will WC get to pick another kid or simply lose the pick? What a legal can of worms that would be. What if he says no, and the kid after him, and the kids after him? What if Melbourme (who for some reason seem to have every pick after WC) get in the ear of Kid X and say "You refuse to go, and we'll pick you up with our next pick". The rorting would be massive (and Carlton will get the blame for it no doubt).

Nothing will come of all this. At 'worst' a fine which will be nothing more than a nuisance to West Coast.


I dont believe giving the kids the right not to go to West Coast is a good idea, but it would be simple to enforce. Ask each kid before the draft if he'd be prepared to go to West Coast, then hand WC a list of players they can draft.

There would still be a stack of kids who wouldn't exclude themselves from an option to be drafted and a lot of WA kids would still prefer to be drafted by a home state team.

Hoping the JK would be returned to us or have his contract voided is really clutching at straws.


Wont happen because that amounts to an admission that the AFL is concerned of FUTURE and CONTINUING danger/s to its employees, which may open up the AFL in any future duty of care action should any existing listed players run into the same dilemma.

The penalty that is eventually imposed will be based on previous indiscretions or failure to act in the past. If draft penalties are imposed they will be communicated on the basis of forcing the club to re focus its priorities from on field success to its people. It will not be communicated as being intended to PROTECT young players from the club any concern must be seen as being extended to the entire list.


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nothing will happen to toasters will not be any penalties.they have been seen to act


Rubbish

WC are about to be hit with a severe penalty designed at ensuring a clear statement is made that the MAIN priority of the The AFL, the WCE and all clubs is the welfare of its people rather than on field success. It is a vital step in ensuring the competition is protected from current and future duty of care damage actions.


Highly unlikely. The time for penalties was earlier in the year. Instead, the AFL endorsed the subsequent actions taken by the Eagles, including the comeback of Cousins.


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Headplant wrote:
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nothing will happen to toasters will not be any penalties.they have been seen to act


Rubbish

WC are about to be hit with a severe penalty designed at ensuring a clear statement is made that the MAIN priority of the The AFL, the WCE and all clubs is the welfare of its people rather than on field success. It is a vital step in ensuring the competition is protected from current and future duty of care damage actions.


Highly unlikely. The time for penalties was earlier in the year. Instead, the AFL endorsed the subsequent actions taken by the Eagles, including the comeback of Cousins.


Incorrect.. The AFL imposed its own conditions upon WC in administering its playing list which includes welfare.. It had to in order to protect itself and the rest of the competition. Time for penalties is now not earlier in the year.. Time for penalties is at the point of reasonable realization of it being the best course of action -- that is now and even now is in question.


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What SHOULD happen and what WILL happen are often, in the world of the AFL, two very different things.

From several reports coming out of the west, club officials at the WCE have known for years of illicit drug use amongst their players, but chose to turn a blind eye.

Players told to 'Keep their @#$%&! mouth shut'... Cousins and Gardiner made Captain and Vice Captain shortly after the police tipped off the senior coach about them allegedly ordering drugs from bikie gangs over the phone... etc...

The West Coast Eagles franchise has, in my opinion, let the game down horribly. In my eyes, they can no longer hide behind the 'our players are individuals and the club does not control what they do out of hours' defence.

But will they be punished? My conjecture would be that there is currently a powerplay between Mike Fitzpatrick, who would be keen for the AFL Commission to stamp its authority on this issue, and Andrew Demetriou (a very good friend of Trevor Nisbett, by the way) who would be keen for the blame to be placed with an individual (Cousins) and therefore insulate the WCE and the AFL from any blame and stigma.

I suspect if Demetriou gets his way, the WCE won't be sanctioned and most likely barely even investigated. To investigate them is to run the risk of uncovering thruths that may be far more damning than lil' Benny's addiction issues.

And still some people think Judd is a self-obsessed wanker or a mummy's boy for wanting to get the @#$%&! out of that place :garthp:


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DenimUndies wrote:
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nothing will happen to toasters will not be any penalties.they have been seen to act


Rubbish

WC are about to be hit with a severe penalty designed at ensuring a clear statement is made that the MAIN priority of the The AFL, the WCE and all clubs is the welfare of its people rather than on field success. It is a vital step in ensuring the competition is protected from current and future duty of care damage actions.


Highly unlikely. The time for penalties was earlier in the year. Instead, the AFL endorsed the subsequent actions taken by the Eagles, including the comeback of Cousins.


Incorrect.. The AFL imposed its own conditions upon WC in administering its playing list which includes welfare.. It had to in order to protect itself and the rest of the competition. Time for penalties is now not earlier in the year.. Time for penalties is at the point of reasonable realization of it being the best course of action -- that is now and even now is in question.


Disagree, for the reasons stated, in reference to this Ben Cousins issue alone.

However, in regard to the information coming out of WA, as detailed in the Age article, there are certainly reasons for taking a much deeper look at the Club's behaviour over the last decade or more ...


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If players don't want to play for the WCE, they don't have to. If they're good anough (and are therefore a commodity) they will get their wish. They hurt their 'brand' somewhat by being labelled a sook, but they still get paid.

Examples:
Bucks didn't want to go to Brisbane. Sat out a year, but got his wish in the end.
Anfernie Wocca didn't want to play for Sydney.
The Stevens brothers.
The Bowdens (obviously not a valuable commodity)
etc, etc.

On the possible sanctions.... Imagine what will come running out of the brushfire if the AFL do 'flick a ciggie out the window'. Just the mere talk of 'cultural investigation' should send a wake up call to all players and club officials.

Let's see which clubs are willing to put welfare before success.

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