Hey Matty K!.!Lance Franklin is out of contract!

grrofunger · **Posted:** Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:52 pm

AFL footy is a business , as unfortunate as that may be , its fact and we needed to make a decision that would improve our arm of that business.

sorry but Judd >>>>>>>>> Kennedy

I'm sure loyalty still exists in the amateurs but ....... well , we aint talking about that.

grrofunger · **Posted:** Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:53 pm

Rhys26 wrote:

DOA wrote:

Rhys26 wrote:

mikkey wrote:

Not quite sure what you are referring to. Not hapy with Judd coming? Concerned about the Josh to WC issue? Please explain.

I would have preferred Walker as part of the trade to West Coast then Kennedy

Missed the point of the post did we lad?

To get Judd we had to give up a lot - its as simple as that.
I was hoping that it was Walks that would have been traded instead of Kenndy. Kennedy could potentially be a gun player whereas I don't think Walks will be any thing more then a very good player.

We now have two Judd types to tear up our midfield - the real Judd and 1AW - you must watch different games.

The Tyrant · **Posted:** Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:55 pm

what a peculiar thread

grrofunger · **Posted:** Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:57 pm

like totally

camel · **Posted:** Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:58 pm

AW should benefit quite a lot from Judd's arrival I reckon. He should be able to fly well under the radar with the likes of Judd, Stevens, Murph and Gibbs generating a lot of attention from our opponents. With a bit less pressure on him, and all the kids mind, AW should come along nicely in 2008.

Sucks majorly that Kennedy was asked/forced to move on, but if the upside of Judd arriving wasn't better then it wouldn't have happened.

I do understand the loyalty point though. Here we had a kid wanting to give us his loyalty and we said, yeah, nah, we'll be right thanks mate. So, next time we have a player leave us for greener pastures I think we'll just have to cop it on the chin and not whinge about it like we did with Campo.

Rhys26 · **Joined:** Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:12 am **Posts:** 1730

grrofunger wrote:

We now have two Judd types to tear up our midfield - the real Judd and 1AW - you must watch different games.

Keeps making the same mistakes grrofunger.
His decision making isnt all that great and his kicking isn't all that flash either. I've heard Robert Walls on many occasions questioning whether he has the smarts to take his game to the next level. I hope he can become an elite player but im not sure that he will. fingers crossed that he will be a gun

Blueboy · **Posted:** Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:59 pm

grrofunger wrote:

AFL footy is a business , as unfortunate as that may be , its fact and we needed to make a decision that would improve our arm of that business.

I'm sure loyalty still exists in the amateurs but ....... well , we aint talking about that.

Your correct Grro, but that being the case we must not expect it from the players in return.

DOA · **Joined:** Mon Mar 14, 2005 8:04 pm **Posts:** 395

Josh Kaplan wrote:

DOA I understand your frustration but I have to take you to task on your contention-
We didnt get Judd for bragging rights- sure, it was a nice by product of the coup, but as fyjanc accurately put it- Judd is the first sign that the wheel has turned for us as an on field force once again.
I have met JK on a few ocassions and he is a ripper kid. I want to try recruit him again next year- but you have to understand that our club has been shat on from all directions for 6 years now, we have had St Kilda supporters (a team with one flag in 110 years FFS) laughing at us, we have been compared to Fitzroy etc..
The wheel is turning. JK is a casualty.. but we need to look aat the big picture because footy in 2008 is big picture stuff.

Not frustated at all Josh.
Supporters by and large do not derive any immediate revenue for being a footy fan(unless you are a lucky punter).
The only net gain for footy fans is bragging rights!-true but sad!

The Tyrant · **Posted:** Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:03 pm

We must bloody love Kreuzer, let me tell you......

it would have been so easy to offer pick 1 and say "enjoy!"

grrofunger · **Posted:** Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:04 pm

Blueboy wrote:

grrofunger wrote:

AFL footy is a business , as unfortunate as that may be , its fact and we needed to make a decision that would improve our arm of that business.

I'm sure loyalty still exists in the amateurs but ....... well , we aint talking about that.

Your correct Grro, but that being the case we must not expect it from the players in return.

Its the clubs job to work on retention , if our club is better than any other club then the players shouldn't want to leave.

We need to make sure players we would want loyalty from are satisfied in their role etc

No different than any other workplace

Barack Obama · **Joined:** Thu Nov 23, 2006 10:47 am **Posts:** 1162

But it is also the supporters that pay Josh's wages. So the bragging rights, perhaps sadly, deserve to be the priority.

bluehammer · **Posted:** Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:04 pm

Yeah but crowds are up, ratings are up and revenue is at an all time high.

DOA · **Joined:** Mon Mar 14, 2005 8:04 pm **Posts:** 395

Barack Obama wrote:

But it is also the supporters that pay Josh's wages. So the bragging rights, perhaps sadly, deserve to be the priority.

Quote your Membership #.

The Tyrant · **Posted:** Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:12 pm

we could sit here and argue the psychological merits of investing so much into "winning" something that means temporal bragging rights for people who weren't directly involved and who just watched, but if we did that the whole freakin' system would collapse around us and we'd be forced to spend more time with our families.

Lets just say Judd is fun and Kennedy is a good bloke and we hope he kicks arse for West Coast and maintains all his friendships he forged at Carlton.

I reckon the bigger shame is that he had to play his 2 seasons under Pagan. A better coach might have seen him further developed and potentially "untradeable" in the Murphy or Gibbs mould......

You're only as good as our last opponent. Sadly for Josh his opponent was Judd this time and he's bloody hard momentum to stop

DOA · **Joined:** Mon Mar 14, 2005 8:04 pm **Posts:** 395

grrofunger wrote:

Blueboy wrote:

grrofunger wrote:

AFL footy is a business , as unfortunate as that may be , its fact and we needed to make a decision that would improve our arm of that business.

I'm sure loyalty still exists in the amateurs but ....... well , we aint talking about that.

Your correct Grro, but that being the case we must not expect it from the players in return.

Its the clubs job to work on retention , if our club is better than any other club then the players shouldn't want to leave.

We need to make sure players we would want loyalty from are satisfied in their role etc

No different than any other workplace

Collingwood won hands down in that regardl and I respect them for that.

The Tyrant · **Posted:** Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:19 pm

DOA wrote:

grrofunger wrote:

Blueboy wrote:

grrofunger wrote:

AFL footy is a business , as unfortunate as that may be , its fact and we needed to make a decision that would improve our arm of that business.

I'm sure loyalty still exists in the amateurs but ....... well , we aint talking about that.

Your correct Grro, but that being the case we must not expect it from the players in return.

Its the clubs job to work on retention , if our club is better than any other club then the players shouldn't want to leave.

We need to make sure players we would want loyalty from are satisfied in their role etc

No different than any other workplace

Collingwood won hands down in that regardl and I respect them for that.

Actually thats a good point. They wouldn't trade Didak to Port for Stevens because he was "the future", and that cost them Stevens. I doubt they would have put Thomas or Pendlebury anywhere near the table if they were in the hunt for Juddy........

DOA · **Joined:** Mon Mar 14, 2005 8:04 pm **Posts:** 395

Josh Kaplan wrote:

DOA is being cryptic in hintign that we are going to go after Franklin when he gets out of contract and Kruez might be a casualty in that:
ie- bemoaning the loss of loyalty in footy.
fair argument.. but we have to embrace it otherwise were gonna get another 10 wooden spoons.

No Josh me man,it was hypothectical!
And it amazes me than supporters cannot/will not admit to the fact that it is all about personal bragging rights.

BlueWorld · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:28 pm **Posts:** 3768

So we should have said no to Judd/ WC and hung on to Kennedy.

Skippers Blues · **Posted:** Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:41 pm

DOA wrote:

Josh Kaplan wrote:

DOA is being cryptic in hintign that we are going to go after Franklin when he gets out of contract and Kruez might be a casualty in that:
ie- bemoaning the loss of loyalty in footy.
fair argument.. but we have to embrace it otherwise were gonna get another 10 wooden spoons.

No Josh me man,it was hypothectical!
And it amazes me than supporters cannot/will not admit to the fact that it is all about personal bragging rights.

The main reason we got Judd was to try and continue our climb back to the top and be successful. The club as a whole needed something like "Chris Judd" arriving to give it a lift, we have suffered for 5 years. We see a future and promise with Judd. Whilst Kennedy also brought these things, obviously our football department thought that Judd enhanced our ability to be successful more than Kennedy did.

DOA i am sure 99% of supporters are gutted a great kid like Josh had to be sacrificed. Also we as the average supporter probably arent aware of as much information as to the inner workings of the trade as you are, so we really cant make as much of an informed opinion on this situation as you can. I can only hope and assume the club tried their hardest to keep JK and were open and honest to the kid.

BlueWorld · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:28 pm **Posts:** 3768

Barack Obama wrote:

But it is also the supporters that pay Josh's wages. So the bragging rights, perhaps sadly, deserve to be the priority.

Supporters pay almost none of players wages. Mostly comes from the TV networks and sponsors.

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