AFAIK.....Carrots has agreed to a new deal; but the Club are "baulking" at Scotto's ask.

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Scotland in a heartbeat - at least he has a fully functioning body, a bit more leg speed and knows and gets along well with the kids in our team.

I'd take Scotland at 400K over Hasleby for 200K to be honest.

$350k per year

i know he had a great yr but fek 350k per year he better back it up...

Dont shoot me everyone, but Carazzo does not deserve $350 per year. Big precedent has now been sent, and I reckon as soon as we get better and get better players to the club he will be shown up for his poor decision making and poor skills.

In saying that he has improved this year out of site, but the club made a poor decision in paying him that much.

Does anyone know what is going on with Bower ?? Is he staying or what ? What about Setanta ?

I think Scotto is a valuable part of the team, but 400k a year is probably what a guy like Simon Black is on - it aint gonna happen Scotto. I know Stevo gets paid a shedload, but that's part of the deal when you switch clubs at the height of your powers.

The club has to be carefull not to throw big money long term contracts at these guys given the talent that we have coming through and keeping in mind the amount of clubs we're currently pissing off by chucking big offers at their players. In 3 years they'll be paying us back

you are 100% correct

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He is worth more than a second round pick but we won't get better than that for him.

Trade him to Freo for Ryan Murphy and we will not have to worry about his wage demands. They get a player who has already reached his peak but can contribute to their finals campaign and we get an emerging forward who is destined to peak when we are serious finals contenders at half the cost. For the money Heath is seeking I would expect him to play in the middle in contested play rather than as a loose sweeper. No one currently part of our defence deserves that kind of money.

Conundrum

If true which i doubt,( AC) would this make him the highest paid rookie listed reject from another club to have played. ( i do like him as a player).

Credit to the lad but 350K , mmmmmmmm.

So what do we pay Gibbs, Murphy, Walker , Simpson,Fisher, Waite to name just a few in a few years time.

As for Scotland 400K ... it isn't true..

IMO all this talk is just a beat up.. But if these figures are accuarate i'll go one step further and say that in order for them to achieve these amounts, there contracts would be very much geared with some very big incentives....Then its possible....

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People seriously underestimate Heath Scotland, they always have and I for one am amused and also bemused by it all. It seems that no matter what he does on the field he just can't convince people and I would like to know why? I think one could justifiably claim that Heath has been our most consistent player over the last two seasons. He has been in the top 5 or so for disposals in the entire competition for the last two seasons. Perhaps even more importantly, he usually uses the ball very well and is also one of our more courageous players. Granted, we have been a poor side during this time but somebody has to play well and in general Heath has played very well.

Is he worth $400k a season? Doubtful, maybe this is just an ambit claim and in the end he well re-sign for less which is what I think (and hope) will happen. Maybe try looking at it from his perspective: he would probably argue that he has been our best player over the past two seasons, his results in the Best and Fairest would reflect his consistency, Kouta, Lappin and possibly Lance are all leaving and Carlton has to pay 92.5% of the Salary Cap whatever happens.

But whatever happens Heath IMO deserves far more respect as a footballer than he is shown on these boards. It is absolutely laughable that some are suggesting we trade him for a speculative untried and arguably not-required ruckman like Cam Wood or a player like Ryan Murphy. It is just madness and sometimes, I must say, I really do wonder with some people.

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Well said Blues2005

true

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Wasn't planning on logging into TC tonight but this has OUTRAGED me.

Carrazo? 350k per year? YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!

If we pay him that much the club, and Steven Ike, are a just a joke, and we're well and truly screwed in coming years when Walker, Murphy, Gibbs and Kreuzer want 550k contracts.

Guys like Dal Santo wouldn't be on much more than 350k.

I refuse to believe this is true! He would be the most overpaid player in the league.

Somebody tell me this is crap.

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..again, ppl need to think rationally.. ..landing an experienced star player in the draft is a long shot, and the AFL forces yer hand in regards to the min. % of TPP's that you gotta pay.. ..kouta has retired, lappin has retired, and if carrots and scotto get these deals done, the red is prolly done and dusted.. ..and both carrots and scotto are out on contract after very good seasons.. ..and trust me, when our young guns step up, they won't be pushed out at all.. ..they'll be our more experienced harder bodies that will really shine when they've got support and aren't carrying the load.. ..face it, yer won't get a full team of superstars, what you'll get is a good number of stars and solid contributors.. ..pay them more now, so later when they're outta contract again they can get less, when yer paying yer guns more..

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Excellent post B2005. Scotland doesn't deserve the crap that gets writting on TC. When you get to your late 20s, you're not only compensated for future service but also good performance in past service - which Scotland has provided. $400k is too steep, but somewhere around $300-$350k is justifiable IMO. And I think that's where it will end up. As for Carrots, he's dreaming if he expects $350k. One year of good service doesn't justify that sort of pay hike. Show some consistency over 2-4 years (ala Scotland) and then you can start asking for that.

Player contracts are about paying a player what he is worth now, plus compensating him for loyalty and strong past service. Other players on the list see that and then understand what they can expect to receive after providing good service for a few years. I'm sure many of us get paid more now in our jobs and do less work because we are more senior. Its reward for past service and hard work.

Didn't Voss get paid this year by the Lions and he wasn't even playing?!

100% Agree TTD

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Carrots deserves it

He has been a gun this year

His decision making is excellent

He cops tackles yet dishes the ball off

He aint Greg Williams but he is still dam good


As for Scotland

Reads it beautifully

Good kick, but

Gets too many easy possessions and

doesnt put enough body on body

is 28 next year

2 year deal not 3

and less moolar

Love to know what the stats are for these two with regard to hand ball receives, hard ball gets and loose ball gets. Jars?

Not sure you can call Carrots a "gun this year" and then say Scotland gets too many cheap posessions. I think they both pick up their fair share of cheaps possies and a fair share of hard ones. Scotland's hard possies are usually backing back into a leading forward. He also often makes good position to get the ball off teammates. He shouldn't be criticised for being a play maker. Carrot's hard ones are usually under a pack, but he also picks up heaps of possies out wide. He seems to do a lot of the "one two" type possies as well. The difference for me is that Scotland has been doing it for years. This is Carrots only first year of consistent good footy. And let's face it, he's hardly ever been given an apponent so he has it relatively easy compared to Murph, Stevo, etc. Love em both, but I wouldn't be giving Carrots any more $$ than Scotto. One year doesn't make a player.

Out of interest,

what did we end up signing T-Bird for? Vague recollection says $400k over three years??? Maybe Scotland is using this as his template???