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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:49 am 
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The best sign from him yesterday was his courage backing back for that mark. Courageous defenders should be a mandatory if a team is ever going to achieve real success. If nothing else Paul Bower has ticked that box more than adequately for all the AFL world to see. Give him "heaps" of games and his development will no doubt follow. Yes, too early to tell if he'll be as valuable to our club as a Michael Sexton or Peter Dean, but he deserves praise and encouragement for his game yesterday.



If I recall he copped the same cheap shot in nearly the exact same position in his very first game against "The Filth" at the MCG.


He got poleaxed. It was my first thought yesterday when he backed into traffic again. He's a loose unit in some respects but brave and willing to run, and run the risk...

Hampson- :-D When he was in the middle- we competed. When Cain was in the middle- we relied on luck.

Hampson's goal was an absolute beauty also. My early impression is that we have a player.


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Even though it is still early days I'm very happy with his selections of Bower (2005 draft) as well as both Hampson and Grigg last year.

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He got poleaxed. It was my first thought yesterday when he backed into traffic again. He's a loose unit in some respects but brave and willing to run, and run the risk....



There was a passage of play in the 3rd quarter (I think) when Bower ran it out of the half back line and found Josh Kennedy with a perfect pass.

I said to my cousin - thats the 2005 All-Australian Centre Half Back kicking it to the 2005 All-Australian Centre Half Forward. :wink:

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Yeah i agree Hampson looks the goods, particularly as he has only been playing for a few years his potential is huge and who knows how good he might become.. Also like his athleticsm, believe he was impressive in draft sprints etc

I think you might have missed what they were critical about. It's probably fair to say Essendon* were never gonna pick hampson with 18 so some feel we should have picked him with 19 and perhaps pick jetta with 17. I, however, am more than happy with the way things worked out as I think grigg will be a much better long term prospect than leroy brown.

So.. in the end it wasn't about hampson vs jetta, it was grigg vs jetta.. Well that's what I made of it.

Did you work at Baring's Bank, or maybe the foreign exchange section of the NAB Bank? Because it looks to me like you're the type to take reckless gambles with other people's futures.

So Sheedy wouldn't have wanted Hampson, hey? And we know that because their ruck division has been so good. Hille has been out of favour, Bradley has been a failure, Laycock has no endurance, and Ryder is better at CHB ... but I'm sure he didn't want an athletic tall ruckman.

And of course our ruck stocks were so good that we could take the gamble. Barney had retired along with Deluca, and Bryan had walked out on us, while McLaren was on last legs. But salvation was at hand as we had Ackland coming over. Aisake was still at a formative stage, and by the time pick 17 arrived, we'd passed on one of the brightest ruck prospects in Leuenberger. But we didn't need to sweat on Hampson, because our ruck situation was well in hand.

Of course, if WH had taken Jetta (and accepted the risk of where his head was at) and Essendon* had taken Hampson at 18, you and others like you would be carrying your torches and pitchforks on your way to Princes Park right now. Because you could rightly point out that it's ok for you to call for WH to take the chance with Jetta, but as a well-paid and experienced professional recruiter, WH should have known better than to take stupid risks. And you'd be right.


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I write short posts. Wayne Hughes has done a fantastic job for 3 years. Look at his record on late picks already: Betts, Jackson, Andersen, Jamieson.


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Did you work at Baring's Bank, or maybe the foreign exchange section of the NAB Bank? Because it looks to me like you're the type to take reckless gambles with other people's futures.


Nick Leeson would have punted on Hampson being available in the 30s. :lol:


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I write short posts. Wayne Hughes has done a fantastic job for 3 years. Look at his record on late picks already: Betts, Jackson, Andersen, Jamieson.



:lol: POW!!!!!! For sure!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:


On a serious note, I think Hughesy has done a great job and as I have previously mentioned, I thought Hampson showed plenty last week against McIntosh as well, he jumped all over him and got his hand on the ball first :-D

Although I don't think Hughesy's work will reveal itself in it's entirety until these guys have 50+ games under their belts. I am quietly confident though! :wink:

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These young players would have been much more advanced if they had 2 development coaches looking after them like collingwood have, instead they have been set back 2 years due to the fact we did not have even one. That will be fixed next year i hope.


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Geez Indie, I think jake_h03 was merely clarifying the draft debate, which was spot on. I don't think he was disagreeing with the selections, but correcting the error in someone's previous post.

Chill bro!

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wasthesonofapreacherman wrote:
Geez Indie, I think jake_h03 was merely clarifying the draft debate, which was spot on. I don't think he was disagreeing with the selections, but correcting the error in someone's previous post.

Chill bro!

But if you look at his post, he was perpetuating the notion that WH could have picked Jetta at 17 while being guaranteed that Hampson could be picked up at 19. That's why he says the choice was between Jetta and Grigg and not Jetta and Hampson. For the reasons I've set out, there was no guarantee that Essendon* would not have picked up Hampson at pick 18, and good reasons why we couldn't afford to run that risk.

The choice was between taking Hampson or Jetta at 17. Period. Anything else is just speculation.


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No use carrying on with 'what ifs'. I too was a bit miffed we missed out on Jetta but I also completely understand that we couldn't take the risk of losing Hammer to the scum.
Grigg looks ok at this early stage and I hope he turns out to be a lot like a Riccardi type and nothing like a Tivendale type :wink:

I agree Hughesy & co seem to have scored well with late picks but the jury's still out on the likes of Harts JR Blackers Raso Benjamin. I hope they all get some more time to develop and prove their worth.

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jake_h03 wrote:
Yeah i agree Hampson looks the goods, particularly as he has only been playing for a few years his potential is huge and who knows how good he might become.. Also like his athleticsm, believe he was impressive in draft sprints etc

I think you might have missed what they were critical about. It's probably fair to say Essendon* were never gonna pick hampson with 18 so some feel we should have picked him with 19 and perhaps pick jetta with 17. I, however, am more than happy with the way things worked out as I think grigg will be a much better long term prospect than leroy brown.

So.. in the end it wasn't about hampson vs jetta, it was grigg vs jetta.. Well that's what I made of it
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Look all I'm saying Indie, is you may have misread Jake's post - read it carefully. He was clearing up what Barrack said about Hampson being chosen instead of Jetta which is incorrect. He wasn't chosen instead of Jetta, he was chosen at pick 17 as we were worried Essendon* may nab him with 18, thus losing Jetta to Essendon*. So he's correct in saying it's Jetta v Grigg. He's certainly not bagging the selection Hughes made, neither Grigg or Hampson.

So in essense we're all agreeing on the same thing. And truth be told I too was disappointed we got Grigg instead of Jetta, but at this stage of their careers, I'm well off the mark.

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Michael Jezz wrote:
I write short posts. Wayne Hughes has done a fantastic job for 3 years. Look at his record on late picks already: Betts, Jackson, Andersen, Jamieson.


I write shorter ones...


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Yes but at the end of the day we would have also been worried about losing Jetta to Essendon* at 18. So Hampson was placed ahead of Jetta in terms of who we wanted. that's why he was taken at 17. It was a gutsy move considering how many people seemed to rate Jetta. But it appears to have also been the right move. So once again, well done hughesy! :-D


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Yes but at the end of the day we would have also been worried about losing Jetta to Essendon* at 18. So Hampson was placed ahead of Jetta in terms of who we wanted. that's why he was taken at 17. It was a gutsy move considering how many people seemed to rate Jetta. But it appears to have also been the right move. So once again, well done hughesy! :-D



How about we all wait a few years before we make this decision?


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Do we have a couple of years? :?

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Barack Obama wrote:
People have been pretty critical of Hughes, and some have been arguing that he should be dismissed. However in relation to pick 17 in the 2006 National Draft, I think he got it spot on. Everyone was bemused when he didn't pick Jetta, but tonight, Hampson showed why he deserved to be taken where we took him. Looked to h ave a great leap, good hands, could palm the ball to advantage, looks like the Kreuzer/Hampson ruck combination will be one of the most feared and talented in the AFL. Considering he has only been playing the game for two years, he is going to be an absolute star in my opinion.

Hughesy, you got this one right. Well Done!


:-D :-D Don't forget to add in Aisake, he could be the best of the lot of them. :-D :-D


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