Con: It looked like Hartlett was favouring a leg as he was joggiing around the boundary late in the game. Did anyone else notice this?

I was at the game and noticed it - not sure what it was however.

Pro: early report is that it was just cramp.

Re: Gibbs - The commentators said it would be a good learning curve for him. He has also said he loves the challenges.

Pros:
Hartlett(which means he will get dropped next week of course)
Gibbs(too good to be kept out of the play and playing a defensive role you imbecile Pagan)
Carrazo - I often wonder how many touches this guy would get if we had a ruckman

Cons:
Unbelievably undisciplined and lazy. Who is to blame?? For me it has to be the coach and his staff. They are unable to get the best out of our players. If Dick Pratt and Gregg Swann are serious men Pagan and his coaching staff must go...now before next week.

Players who refuse to do the hard yards and 1%'s. These players need to be dropped. And if they do not do these things in the two's they should be delisted or traded. No exceptions. No favorites. The club should only be about players who are willing to bleed for it, otherwise OUT. Ackland is the worst excuse for a footballer I have ever laid my eyes on.

Fevola's worst game for the CFC. I was embaressed by his performance today. He should be ashamed of himself. He is undisciplined, a sook, & always looks for frees. Betts is the same. Disgraceful. Why do we persist with players of the caliber of Houlihan is beyond me. He offers nothing to the team. And he has many mates out there as well.

We are carrying too many passengers. We can no longer afford this to go on any more. And the guy driving these passengers is Pagan. Major changes must be made and very quickly. The second half of the season is gonna be ugly.

Feeling ashamed to be supporting a group of players and Coaches who refuse to perform at an acceptable level for their club. Who refuse to earn the big dollars they are on. Who have no pride whatsoever in the jumper they wear. They do not deserve the support that Carlton supporters have given them this year.

There are so many other cons...too many to mention.

Mrz Caz,

Do you agree that Gibbsy should be playing on the last line of defence against the most elusive players in the league week in and week out???
I really feel for the kid as well as Marc Murphy

Murph, Gibbs, Carrotts, Setanta, Simmo all continue to be in the plus column for me.

Warnock showed that a kid who is given responsibility will always give you a good contest...hope our MC take note...

It was depressing seeing him jump all over the top of Ackland