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George Harris · **Posted:** Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:42 pm

Fully support Synbad's comments.

I'm sick of people criticising Fevola when he doesn't get the ball.

It might be fair enough in some respects for his behaviour, put that's purely a product of team mates letting him down through shite delivery, added to umpire frustration.

We need someone like a Longmuir playing beside him to make us look more than one dimensional, taking the focus off of Brendan and hopefully preventing double and triple-teaming.

You don't have to be a genius to work out that if you beat Fevola you beat Carlton.

I would say that makes him invaluable, not someone you'd piss off to another team.

camel · **Posted:** Mon Apr 25, 2005 5:53 pm

I got no problems sticking up for Fev on the weekend in regards to his play. Our delivery to him, and our forward 50 in general, has been pretty crap this year. It is our skills that are letting us down, not our endeavour, or our hard ball gets, or anything else ... turnover, turnovers, turnovers!

However, I cannot defend Fevola's actions towards Grover, they were and will always be, inexcusable!

beagle · **Joined:** Mon Apr 04, 2005 3:26 pm **Posts:** 41

Ryan8024 wrote:

Very humerous.

Btw, in a way you're right. A donkey would've been more effective than Fevola yesterday. At least donkey's have their hands (or equivalent) on the ground.

It's a bit hard to mark the ball with your ankles.

Yeah, poor delivery into the fwd line costs us again.

sandramd · **Posted:** Mon Apr 25, 2005 8:44 pm

What a ridiculous thread poor taste as well ballistic how old are ya?? Still takin the bat and bal and going home? (is it at all probable that we can trade ballistic to the tiggers they need another feral)

ballistic blues · **Posted:** Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:56 am

my reasons for calling Fev a donkey. When going for a mark the ball goes through his hands, he runs under the ball or tries to mark the ball with one hand. When the ball hits the ground he struggles i have seen ruckman more agile than him. Sometimes he takes the luckiest marks. He does chase but anyone can chase and apply presure. He is not a one grab foward, he does have a big body but constantly gets out bodied. I know it is hard to play full foward these days with the foward 50 so crowded but i cant help it when i watch Fev play he reminds me of a donkey.

Synbad · **Posted:** Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:01 am

ballistic blues wrote:

my reasons for calling Fev a donkey. When going for a mark he ball goes through his hands, he runs under the ball or tries to mark the ball with one hand. When the ball hits the ground he struggles i have seen ruckman more agile than him. Sometimes he takes the luckiest marks. He does chase but anyone can chase and apply presure. He is not a one grab foward, he does have a big body but constantly gets out bodied. I know it is hard to play full foward these days with the foward 50 so crowded but i cant help it when i watch Fev play he reminds me of a donkey.

Ballistic Blues... most of the time if you watch the full backs on Fev theyre all over him like an octopus. How many marks did he bring down when hes clearly been interfered with. You can only use one hand when youre using the other to push away from a guy holding onto you...
The other thing is the ball comes down shithouse!!!
I reckon Fev gets lesss free kicks for than Lloyd or Riewoldt.

camel · **Posted:** Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:53 am

Synbad wrote:

ballistic blues wrote:

my reasons for calling Fev a donkey. When going for a mark he ball goes through his hands, he runs under the ball or tries to mark the ball with one hand. When the ball hits the ground he struggles i have seen ruckman more agile than him. Sometimes he takes the luckiest marks. He does chase but anyone can chase and apply presure. He is not a one grab foward, he does have a big body but constantly gets out bodied. I know it is hard to play full foward these days with the foward 50 so crowded but i cant help it when i watch Fev play he reminds me of a donkey.

Ballistic Blues... most of the time if you watch the full backs on Fev theyre all over him like an octopus. How many marks did he bring down when hes clearly been interfered with. You can only use one hand when youre using the other to push away from a guy holding onto you...
The other thing is the ball comes down shithouse!!!
I reckon Fev gets lesss free kicks for than Lloyd or Riewoldt.

And that's including Riewoldt being out injured!

I reckon the holding the man decision has been chucked out. Seems now the only way the umpies will pay a free to a forward is if their arms get hit. Clearly you can push them in the back (Tredrea v Geelong) and hold on to them for as long as you like (Fev at any stage during Freo).

What's the bloody story!!!

nightcrawler · **Joined:** Sun Apr 03, 2005 11:48 am **Posts:** 2891

You know, at first on Saturday I thought there was a bad case of home town umpiring going on, but the longer the game went on the more I realised that the umpires were just shit. Freo copped as many non-decisions and bad decisions as we did.

camel · **Posted:** Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:06 am

nightcrawler wrote:

You know, at first on Saturday I thought there was a bad case of home town umpiring going on, but the longer the game went on the more I realised that the umpires were just shit. Freo copped as many non-decisions and bad decisions as we did.

Yep agree with that too, they were atrocious on Saturday.

The Tyrant · **Posted:** Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:08 am

Deano Supremo · **Posted:** Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:21 am

C'mon Tyrant, I thought this sort of thing just restricts free discussion?

tap in 79 · **Joined:** Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:58 am **Posts:** 2129

Synbad wrote:

Fev is being double and triple teamed. Just go back and watch it.

`What we need is another BIG target man... one that opposition defenders have to counter .. this will take away some of the attention Fev gets and free him up.
Plus a midfield that can hit targets.

Fev is just doing it really tough in there.
Yes he has a weakness but his positives surpass that weakness if he gets some help to do what he is there to do. Be on the end of a thread of teamwork and capatalise.

Who could be the other BIG target man... what about Waite? i know he isn't massive but he is tall and he is mobile and he does go hard for the ball. Why not put whitnall on the bench (or drop him) and see what Waite can do?

Fev has the potential to be one of the great Carlton players but doesn't seem to have the room/mobility to take chest marks. Can't we clear out the forward line a bit?

The Tyrant · **Posted:** Tue Apr 26, 2005 12:46 pm

Deano Supremo wrote:

C'mon Tyrant, I thought this sort of thing just restricts free discussion?

Captain Obvious · **Joined:** Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:53 am **Posts:** 229

Trolling is what some people do on the internet

Deano Supremo · **Posted:** Tue Apr 26, 2005 2:01 pm

Captain Obvious wrote:

Trolling is what some people do on the internet

Thanks for pointing that out, Captain Obvious.

AGRO · **Posted:** Tue Apr 26, 2005 2:03 pm

Deano Supremo wrote:

Captain Obvious wrote:

Trolling is what some people do on the internet

Thanks for pointing that out, Captain Obvious.

I thought it was Ralph Wiggum. :roll:

nikki · **Posted:** Tue Apr 26, 2005 3:23 pm

Synbad wrote:

Fev is being double and triple teamed. Just go back and watch it.
He never gets the free kicks...
Not only is he swarmed but when the ball comes in it comes in crap... every now and a while it comes up ok and he fluffs it cos by that time he is out of synch.

`What we need is another BIG target man... one that opposition defenders have to counter .. this will take away some of the attention Fev gets and free him up.
Plus a midfield that can hit targets.

If Fev is being triple teamed (which i know he is) why cant we ever seem to find the two Carlton players which have to be free. My theory is that if the oppisition has two free talls on fev then where are talls for us??? i understand that one may be on the back line but that means that there is still 1 carlton player free. If we utilise this player it means that the oppisition has to be more accountable and so therefore fev will not constantly be flanked by defenders.

SurreyBlue · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am **Posts:** 10478

nikki wrote:

Synbad wrote:

Fev is being double and triple teamed. Just go back and watch it.
He never gets the free kicks...
Not only is he swarmed but when the ball comes in it comes in crap... every now and a while it comes up ok and he fluffs it cos by that time he is out of synch.

`What we need is another BIG target man... one that opposition defenders have to counter .. this will take away some of the attention Fev gets and free him up.
Plus a midfield that can hit targets.

If Fev is being triple teamed (which i know he is) why cant we ever seem to find the two Carlton players which have to be free. My theory is that if the oppisition has two free talls on fev then where are talls for us??? i understand that one may be on the back line but that means that there is still 1 carlton player free. If we utilise this player it means that the oppisition has to be more accountable and so therefore fev will not constantly be flanked by defenders.

Now don't go being logical Nikki. :roll:

Synbad · **Posted:** Tue Apr 26, 2005 7:33 pm

Problem is theyre too static. The whole forward line is just too crowded and theyre zoning of Lance because they dont rate him. Waite and Deluca have been beneficieries of this as well.

nikki · **Posted:** Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:17 pm

Synbad wrote:

Problem is theyre too static. The whole forward line is just too crowded and theyre zoning of Lance because they dont rate him. Waite and Deluca have been beneficieries of this as well.

That is the other problem with our forward line. It either has noone in it or it has about 20 people in it.I know that it will take him out of the play a bit but why doesn't Fev (or at least someone) stay in the goal square and go on a hard lead as our defence clears. I guess this is what is meant to happen but the forward 50 is usually to crowded. Even then i have noticed that we need to bring the ball to ground as often as possible...to many times the oppisition backman take marks which ggives our crumbers no chance and often results in a fast break

Anyway, I will stop ranting now

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