The elite has passed Kouta, which doesn't mean that he isn't of value to the club based on Sat form.

Lance, as a captain spends too much on the bench IMO to be considered an elite. At his best, he is very very good but we have only seen glimpses of this in 2007.

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I'm massive fan of both Stevo and Scotland, and rate both in our top 5 but I guess the definition of 'elite' is the sticking point for these threads. Voss was an elite midfielder, got the ball himself and made sure his opponent didn't have an impact. These 2 way mids are what I classify as 'elite', Stevo and Scotts don't have enough defensive game to be in that company imo - excellent players none the less.

QFT.

Lyon is a spanka - his opinion holds no weight at all. Just another uneducated hack in the pile of Carlton bashers. No time for him at all...

I think, depending on Didak's fitness he is a far more damaging player than Stevens and that Collingwood very much did the right thing. A goalkicking forward who can play in the midfield with such penetrating disposal and footy smarts is a massive asset, whereas Stevens is class without having that X-factor

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Yeah but what about Dominic Fotia... elite?

Elite enough to cost Stephen Silvagni a Brownlow Medal in 1990.

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There is one elite player on the Carlton list (Fevola) and we have a few who are too inexperienced to be bracketed as elite at the moment but look likely to have a big impact a few years down the track.

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Lyon was giving his opinion on players in our list who could be considered elite, not players who are playing at the elite level right now.

He also did include Stevens in that list (initially forgot to mention him cos he is injured, and may have also missed him in his final reprise).

He specifically mentioned that he considers Scotland very good, but not elite.

Believes Murphy and Gibbs clearly developing elite players. He included Kennedy in that group based more upon his reputation rather then where he is at or what he has displayed in the seniors so far, and that he is a big kid so will take a while to develop.

His comments were reasonable. Probably a bit harsh on Walker, but then he doesn't see a lot of him. I think I would have Walker in there , but not Waite due to his inconsistency. Waite still has big holes in his game.

Simmo I think is probably borderline, like a few of our players including Murphy needs to watch his defensive side.

Agree...Fev is the only proven elite player....couple of the youngsters might get there down the track.

re :Stevens.....Judd, Kerr, are elite, I rate Stevens along with the likes of Jude Bolton, Sam Mitchell, Brent Harvey etc....all good players but not elite..

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His definition of elite is not so tight. He had about 10 Adelaide players as elite.

And DeLuca
And Sporn
And Kenna

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How can he justify putting Kennedy on that list when he hasn't played one great game. Gibbs has played 9 games and he's calling him elite and Russel is yet to show much.

I suggest you read the posts explaining the context of this list.